Built-in vs. Standalone DACs


The general consensus here seems to be that standalone DACs are generally better than those built into an integrated amplifier. Many also agree that standalone DACs provide more flexibility, i.e., you can swap DACs without changing the amp.

For the sake of discussion, let’s set aside the flexibility argument and only focus on sound fidelity for now. The primary advantage of a standalone DAC is that it provides better isolation (reduction in electrical noise) since it’s not sharing its architecture with other shared components like power supplies and chassis, etc. I’m also assuming that service and repair is a bit easier as well. What other technical advantages can you guys think of?

Another salient point that I’ve come across is that many manufacturers treat a built-in DAC as an afterthought, and so while the DACs might not be bad per se they are never the star of the show. As a result, the manufacturers don’t go the extra mile in a way that a company producing standalone DACs might. I think you can put Krell, Hegel, McIntosh in this bucket. If you disagree, feel free to correct me.

But on the other hand, we see some high-end manufacturers providing built-in DAC modules and charging quite a bit for it. Examples include Accuphase, Gryphon, Aavik, Soluution, Audio Research, etc. In many cases, the addition of a DAC module can set you back an additional $5-7k. Do you guys think the high cost is basically a ’convenience’ surcharge, or can these high-end built-in DACs compete with DACs that cost about the same, e.g. standalone DACs in the $5-10K range.

So let’s say someone is ordering a Gryphon Diablo 300 and have to decide between adding their DAC module, or buying a separate DAC. Ignoring the flexibility argument for a minute, which route provides better SQ?

 

128x128arafiq

Diablo 300 owner here, when I auditioned the amp it had the DAC module and I really liked the sound/synergy, awesome scale and dynamics, like it was on steroids. But I ultimately didn't get the module and spent the $5K on a Terminator II, not because it's better but because I was looking to bring balance to my system by adding some refinement - plus I knew I would buy other external DACS too for variety.

The DAC in my Boulder 866 is the same as their stand alone. It’s fantastic! 

mofojo we have other dacs in the 5k price range and the internal dac being fed by our 432Evo server sounds incredibile the built in streamer is okay feed the dac usb from a great server and the dac  sounds fantastic

as per reviewers not all of them know what they are doing

 

Dave and Troy

Audiointellect nj

krell dealer

 

 

I have owned a Audio Alchemy DDP-1 (DAC/PRE)+ PS 5 (outboard LPS). My entire system has been significantly upgraded since owning it, and it still amazes. They do come up for sale occasionally HIGHLY RECOMMENDED

Great comments and feedback!

I know some folks might feel that paying an extra $5-7k for a built-in DAC module on some of these higher end integrated amps might seem like a lot. But when you factor in the cost of a good power cord and interconnects, it doesn’t sound like a bad deal.

Either way, I’m running an experiment this week. I’m auditioning an Aavik U-280 which has a built-in DAC that’s supposed to be excellent. I will compare the Aavik to my Qualiton a50i and Denafrips Terminator 2 combo. I will also run the Aavik with the it’s internal dac as well as the external dac (T2). Will be an interesting comparison.