Midwoofer+Tweeter vs Wide band

Thors to me is one of the worst sounding dynamics I have ever owned ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Odd your opinion, Based on my talk with Josh at Madisound, he too feels Excel drivers are extremely neutral, zero coloration/fatgue, Troels has very high opinions of Seas Excel. Tyler used exclusively Excel in his designs. Joseph Audio employs Excel. Thing is with Excel and all seas and MOST Scanspeak drivers, woofers/tweeters is the low sensitivity. I was running the dual W18's as assist mode w the FR, but figured it was not needed. All woofers, have a roll off at 40hz. You claijm to geta SOLID 30hz ((90db??, lucky you get 80 db = worthless). Woofers sens starts at 50db, no matter what Seas/Scanspeaks charts claim. For my exclusive classical music a FR w 92/ for the 6incher and 94db for the 8 incher solved this issue of low sens in the 50hz -100hz range. Tweeters is another matter. I guess for Jazz you might wanta woofer for extra punch in the lows, but I heard no need for a woofer. Both FR cones managed very well in the bass depatment, No, for me woofers are worthless trash, pure snakeoil.

Having said that the Woofer Assisted Wide Band, a type of two way with very low crossover point, makes a lot more sense to me ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ All woofers have a very low sens in the 20hz-60hz range = worthless. Its alllll about sens, FR w 92+ sens reigh as supreme musical drivers. A woofer is worthless trash next to a higher end FR. In FR I only like wooden cones. The resonances with a wooden cone is near perfect. That said Tang band doesa good job w its composite cone. Woofers paper composite cones I can't stand. carbon is yet worse. FR w good cone material slams any woofer from Seas/Scanspeak. Are you listening Troels?????

All woofers have a very low sens in the 20hz-60hz range = worthless.

Your momma.

From now on that's my standard response to blanket statements devoid of facts or experience.

@mozartfan ”I've never heard a wide range driver alone, Chinese or not, that played the frequency extremes in a realistic manner.”

Check out Cube Audio Nenuphar V2 or Jazzon. True single driver loudspeakers  with no crossover. Pretty amazing bass down to ~30hz and very clean, extended, natural highs. They are, however, quite picky about amplifiers…

Check out Cube Audio Nenuphar V2 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Yes I've heard good things about Cube, WE have a Cube owner here in New Orleans, but am still waiting for a audition at his home. I should rephrase me above comment. A FR does in FACT quite well at both extremes, 50ish hz is all I need w my classical collection, W jazz/blues you may want a sub woofer, but IMHO subs are for HT and are not musical, = its fake bass = add on. Yuckkk Highs, well if you want some ambience on top end a tweeter is HIGHLY recommended = Necessary. Back to Erik's hacking my far out critique on woofers. Look woofers are not flat from say 25hz through 2500 hz. If you do find a Scanspeak woofer that has decent sens at say 25hz , this means the sens at the other end will drop off significantly. Woofers can only be FUNCTIONAL at either end, as a extra low end speaker = below 35hz OR asa midrange that meets a tweeter at 2500 with high sens. A woofer can not be both. facts are woofers suffer at both ends with decent sens. = can't meet the tweeter's low end. Tweeters show break up below 2400 whena orchestra or jazz fusion gets jamming. I just ckecked my tweeters' xover, its not 3k as I thought. Its 1st order w a Mundorf 8.2 cap puts the xover at 2400, a bit lower that I want but do not have cash for a 6 uf which would put my 2 tweeters at a much better 3k hz point. So my dual Tweeters run at 2400, and at the vol I listen 85 SPL, there's no stress at all. I'm thinking of swaping both tweeters fora super duper high end Scanspeaker which claims 94db sens. I really think this Scanspeak tweeter will result in spectacular success. I have no issues w either tweeter's, but if I can make a gain for a few bucks. I'm willing to put the final touch on my design. I stand corrected: a tweeter is NOT a tweeter. There are subtle sonics in tweeters. Enough to seek out the best. Which IMHO is the Scanspeak, the one w the pointed phase plug. at 94db. 8 phms. Nothing from Seas can approach that Scan T. I think Seas older model tweeters pre 1990 were better as in higher sensitivity. Their newest **Flagships** Millennium/Crescendo, are wayyyyy too low sens to be considered high end tweeters. = trash. I'm very happy how my design transformed intoa true musical speaker for all classical genres. Last, and can't resist, woofers serve no purpose in my design. I have found they are near worthless inventions which yet captivated a whole generation of audiophiles. The asian audiophile figures FR offers a superior true musical image with the least stress on amplifier and the listeners ears.