My Long List of Amplifiers and My Personal Review of Each!


So I have been in a long journey looking to find the best amplifiers for my martin logan montis. As you know, the match between an amplifier and speakers has to be a good "marriage" and needs to be blend exquisitely. Right now, I think I might have found the best sounding amplifier for martin logan. I have gone through approximately 34-36 amplifiers in the past 12 months. Some of these are:

Bryston ST, SST, SST2 series
NAD M25
PARASOUND HALO
PARASOUND CLASSIC
KRELL TAS
KRELL KAV 500
KRELL CHORUS
ROTEL RMB 1095
CLASSE CT 5300
CLASSE CA 2200
CLASSE CA 5200
MCINTOSH MC 205
CARY AUDIO CINEMA 7
OUTLAW AUDIO 755
LEXICON RX7
PASS LABS XA 30.8
BUTLER AUDIO 5150
ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005

With all that said, the amplifiers I mentioned above are the ones that in my opinion are worth mentioning. To make a long story short, there is NO 5 CHANNEL POWER AMP that sounds as good as a 3ch and 2ch amplifier combination. i have done both experiments and the truth is that YOU DO lose details and more channel separation,etc when you select a 5 channel power amplifier of any manufacturer.
My recollection of what each amp sounded like is as follows:

ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005 (great power and amazing soundstage. Very low noise floor, BUT this amplifiers NEEDS TO BE cranked up in order to fully enjoy it. If you like listening at low volume levels or somewhat moderate, you are wasting your time here. This amp won’t sound any different than many other brands out there at this volume. The bass is great, good highs although they are a bit bright for my taste)

NAD M25 (very smooth, powerful, but somewhat thin sounding as far as bass goes)
Bryston sst2(detailed, good soundstage, good power, but can be a little forward with certain speakers which could make them ear fatiguing at loud volumes)

Krell (fast sounding, nice bass attack, nice highs, but some detail does get lost with certain speakers)

rotel (good amp for the money, but too bright in my opinion)

cary audio (good sound overall, very musical, but it didn’t have enough oomph)

parasound halo (good detail, great bass, but it still holds back some background detail that i can hear in others)

lexicon (very laid back and smooth. huge power, but if you like more detail or crisper highs, this amp will disappoint you)

McIntosh mc205 (probably the worst multichannel amp given its price point. it was too thin sounding, had detail but lacked bass.

butler audio (good amplifier. very warm and smooth sweet sounding. i think for the money, this is a better amp than the parasound a51)

pass labs (very VERY musical with excellent bass control. You can listen to this for hours and hours without getting ear fatigue. however, it DOES NOT do well in home theater applications if all you have is a 2 channel set up for movies. The midrange gets somewhat "muddy" or very weak sounding that you find yourself trying to turn it up.

classe audio (best amplifier for multi channel applications. i simply COULDNT FIND a better multi channel amplifier PERIOD. IT has amazing smoothness, amazing power and good bass control although i would say krell has much better bass control)

Update: The reviews above were done in January 2015. Below is my newest update as of October 2016:



PS AUDIO BHK 300 MONOBLOCKS: Amazing amps. Tons of detail and really amazing midrange. the bass is amazing too, but the one thing i will say is that those of you with speakers efficiency of 87db and below you will not have all the "loudness" that you may want from time to time. These amps go into protection mode when using a speaker such as the Salon, but only at very loud levels. Maybe 97db and above. If you don’t listen to extreme crazy levels, these amps will please you in every way.

Plinius Odeon 7 channel amp: This is THE BEST multichannel amp i have ever owned. Far , but FAR SUPERIOR to any other multichannel amp i have owned. In my opinion it destroyed all of the multichannel amps i mentioned above and below. The Odeon is an amp that is in a different tier group and it is in a league of its own. Amazing bass, treble and it made my center channel sound more articulate than ever before. The voices where never scrambled with the action scenes. It just separated everything very nicely.

Theta Dreadnaught D: Good detailed amp. Looks very elegant, has a pleasant sound, but i found it a tad too bright for my taste. I thought it was also somewhat "thin" sounding lacking body to the music. could be that it is because it is class d?

Krell Duo 300: Good amp. Nice and detailed with enough power to handle most speakers out there. I found that it does have a very nice "3d" sound through my electrostatics. Nothing to fault here on this amp.
Mark Levinson 532H: Great 2 channel amp. Lots of detail, amazing midrange which is what Mark Levinson is known for. It sounds very holographic and will please those of you looking for more detail and a better midrange. As far as bass, it is there, but it is not going to give you the slam of a pass labs 350.5 or JC1s for example. It is great for those that appreciate classical music, instrumental, etc, but not those of you who love tons of deep bass.

 It is articulate sounding too
Krell 7200: Plenty of detail and enough power for most people. i found that my rear speakers contained more information after installed this amp. One thing that i hated is that you must use xlr cables with this amp or else you lose most of its sound performance when using RCA’s.

Krell 402e: Great amp. Very powerful and will handle any speaker you wish. Power is incredible and with great detail. That said, i didn’t get all the bass that most reviewers mentioned. I thought it was "ok" in regards to bass. It was there, but it didn’t slam me to my listening chair.

Bryston 4B3: Good amp with a complete sound. I think this amp is more laid back than the SST2 version. I think those of you who found the SST2 version of this amp a little too forward with your speakers will definitely benefit from this amp’s warmth. Bryston has gone towards the "warm" side in my opinion with their new SST3 series. As always, they are built like tanks. I wouldn’t call this amp tube-like, but rather closer to what the classe audio delta 2 series sound like which is on the warm side of things.

Parasound JC1s: Good powerful amps. Amazing low end punch (far superior bass than the 402e). This amp is the amp that i consider complete from top to bottom in regards to sound. Nothing is lacking other than perhaps a nicer chassis. Parasound needs to rework their external appearance when they introduce new amps. This amp would sell much more if it had a revised external appearance because the sound is a great bang for the money. It made my 800 Nautilus scream and slam. Again, amazing low end punch.

Simaudio W7: Good detailed amp. This amp reminds me a lot of the Mark Levinson 532h. Great detail and very articulate. I think this amp will go well with bookshelves that are ported in order to compensate for what it lacks when it comes to the bass. That doesn’t mean it has no bass, but when it is no Parasound JC1 either.
Pass labs 350.5: Wow, where do i begin? maybe my first time around with the xa30.8 wasn’t as special as it was with this monster 350.5. It is just SPECTACULAR sounding with my electrostatics. The bass was THE BEST BASS i have ever heard from ANY amp period. The only amp that comes close would be the jC1s. It made me check my settings to make sure the bass was not boosted and kept making my jaw drop each time i heard it. It totally destroyed the krell 402e in every regard. The krell sounded too "flat" when compared to this amp. This amp had amazing mirange with great detail up top. In my opinion, this amp is the best bang for the money. i loved this amp so much that i ended up buying the amp that follows below.

Pass labs 250.8: What can i say here. This is THE BEST STEREO AMP i have ever heard. This amp destroys all the amps i have listed above today to include the pass labs 350.5. It is a refined 350.5 amp. It has more 3d sound which is something the 350.5 lacked. It has a level of detail that i really have never experienced before and the bass was amazing as well. I really thought it was the most complete power amplifier i have ever heard HANDS DOWN. To me, this is a benchmark of an amplifier. This is the amp that others should be judged by. NOTHING is lacking and right now it is the #1 amplifier that i have ever owned.

My current amps are Mcintosh MC601s: i decided to give these 601s a try and they don’t disappoint. They have great detail, HUGE soundstage, MASSIVE power and great midrange/highs. The bass is great, but it is no pass labs 250.8 or 350.5. As far as looks, these are the best looking amps i have ever owned. No contest there. i gotta be honest with you all, i never bought mcintosh monos before because i wasn’t really "wowed" by the mc452, but it could have been also because at that time i was using a processor as a preamp which i no longer do. Today, i own the Mcintosh C1100 2 chassis tube preamp which sounds unbelievable. All the amps i just described above have been amps that i auditioned with the C1100 as a preamp. The MC601s sound great without a doubt, but i will say that if you are looking for THE BEST sound for the money, these would not be it. However, Mcintosh remains UNMATCHED when it comes to looks and also resale value. Every other amp above depreciates much faster than Mcintosh.

That said, my future purchase (when i can find a steal of a deal) will be the Pass labs 350.8. I am tempted to make a preliminary statement which is that i feel this amp could be THE BEST stereo amp under 30k dollars. Again, i will be able to say more and confirm once i own it. I hope this update can help you all in your buying decisions!


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I agree with mahsister. I was following Jay before he went to video and then noticed that he paid no attention to room acoustic absorption and diffusion. For that reason alone I stopped tracking his progress or lack of. Circle back to a few days  ago I still see that he is void of any diffusion in the center back wall between the speakers. As well I doubt he has taken the time to analyze the room and seek out earl reflections and treat them .

Treating the room goes hand in hand as soon as anyone gets serious about audio and a bit of toe in and a few bass traps is the starting point.   

 

Why i am happy with my low cost system? And not envious at all of superior component... And they are superior no doubt in my mind...

All my component are well under the quality component of this site and even if it is the case, my soundscape in my 2 listening position is so good, that i dont give a damn about any products presented here... I like Jay personnality yes... It is the reason i listen...He is not only honest but know how to keep our interest...

But i dont need his 100,000 bucks dac..

Why?

Because we can be happy with a ratio S.Q. /price which is over the roof...

Why over the roof?

Because the real and only MULTIPLIER of the basic design quality of all piece of gear at any price is acoustic and psycho-acoustic method...Acoustic is not a mere addition it is a huge multiplier...

I dont mind anymore about my sound... He is good and my system cost is ridiculous...

my 8 headphones are not good enough for my room... 😁😊

But my actual room is unesthetical, and seems a mess with 100 Helmholtz resonators and diffusers... No one will do that save a nut... 😁 Each one must be tuned...But it cost me nothing save many many months of tuning....A pro acoustician will have charged a fortune...

But an optimal classical room treatment with this very high designed component here will help much for sure...At not too high cost...

But we must all remember that the goal of the OP is CHANGING each part of his system to explore new offer in a very high end niche...

And acoustic optimization CANNOT be done the same for different system ... Acoustic is not only a change for a specific room but also for all specfic components...

Then all the acoustic Jay need is minimal and classical room treatment.... An optimal better balance between reflection/absorption/diffusion...It can be applied to all system...

The goal of Jay are at the opposite of the goal of most people... He dont want to live with one system but to explore many new offering each year...

Then we must be conscious of that...

This is the reason why my criticism is useless for him here...But useful for many...

For sure the truth to reach hi fi at an optimal S.Q./price ratio will not change , it is acoustic method... But this truth is useful for an audio system which does not change each month...

But who present so much interesting hifi ultrra high end products with experience and honesty?

Dont look anywhere else...

it is here....

 

 

 

@gtaphile

Thank you for following me although you claim to not follow my progress or lack thereof. That said, responding here is contradictory to your statement.

Everyone loves to be a mentor yet very few walk the the walk the way I do publicly. I’d love to see your system and room. Any chance you can send me some pics?

There is nothing but God loving itself. So, if you are not treating everyone as your mother, lover, son, daughter, husband, and yes....God (whatever form you think that is).....then you are on a "withhold"....ie: You are withholding your beauty and love from them. When you feel your own intrinsic worth....then you also know that everyone is YOU........So, you love everyone.....as you love yourself.

There are many ways up the audio nirvana mountain. The way shown here is to spend upwards of $400,000 on stuff anyone can buy in a showroom. It certainly works for those with lots of money and don’t have the creative inclinations to look anywhere else. However, the average audiophile has maybe a $20,000+ stereo and there is not one single product they would use that is shown/promoted here....except maybe the Furutech outlets.

Here is an idea I have mentioned....but will share it again. Get a great full range driver (Lii Audio Silver 10s are $1200 a pair)......more than likely better would be the 10 inch Neo driver from Cube ($6500 the pair). Mount them on a damped open baffle with wings going back so you get bass to 40hz. On top, mount a super tweeter and xover with a single copper foil cap bypassed by smaller copper foil cap. Hardwire the wire from the amp directly to the voice coil wire of the full range driver (never been done in a commercial speaker) and directly to a mono block amp sitting direclty behind the speaker. The wire from the speaker voice coll to the amp (bare wire end for best sound.....no connector is best) would be better wire than what is inside the Focal speaker. You would not need to buy $27K speaker wires!!!!! The amps would be some super special 25 or more watts.......but not necessarily super expensive (see Cube Nenuphar thread for possiblilites). You would put a Bybee Quantum clarifier on the back of the magnet of the driver, use my Ground Enhancer on the negative pole of the driver and use my rf filter across the hot and ground (yes, I know.... a shameful plug.....we are talking $165 here for both items.....I am rolling in mulah selling these things....he he). The amps and wood and drivers and goodies.....would be way less than $20K (much, much less if you use the Lii Audio drivers). This combo would sound at least as good as the $140K Boulder amp, $20K Gryphon Cables and $70?K Focal speakers....from 100hz on up......of course, you could add woofers for a few thousand and have at least as good of bass as the almost $200K system.

If someone bullt such a system (my friend has one but is not so inclined) then they could start a thread and even a YouTube channel about their discoveries and the YouTube channel would have 100K subscibers within a month after they showed off how good it sounds.....because this is something that the average Audiophile would be interested in.

There is nothing wrong with $400,000 systems......anyone with the money can buy one. But it is not creative or innovative in any way.....expensive heavy toys....most of us cannot afford or lift. Most people who come here are window shoppers.....wishing they could afford such a thing.......However, you can afford the sound quality.....but you will not find the way up that mountain on this thread......maybe my hints will help you.

Be well and may peace be in your hearts.