Distributed Bass Array configuration


Please, I don't want to debate the merits of the DBA nor of those who espouse it. I am considering adding two more subwoofers to a system that has two already. To those who use a DBA,I am interested in how you have configured them, specifically--
  1. Do you run in mono, or do you split the array to run in stereo?
  2. What is your approach to setting phase (delay) among speakers that may be facing different directions and are different distances from the listener?
Thanks!
mike_in_nc
Flat in room and or at listening position is just a starting point for great bass. Time, phase and Harmonics and the superb transition to mains with high pass is crucial. More sources ( subs ) in the room is a simple averaging machine for amplitude… great for sine waves… not so great for the rich harmonics above the magical oft cited 80 HZ line.  This is a big hint…. Play a decent recording of a scaling acoustic bass w eyes closed… image move ? (!Wales gets it, Eric surfed up next to it w Orchestral, a small Cello ensemble… I am guessing it aint all mono for them ) Glad the OP is at 95%, wonderful place to be but like any good audiophile questing for even better !!
of course use test tones, rta, good microphone… and listen. 
Fun thread but needs more cowbell and bass players…
audiokinesis
Regarding setting the levels ... finding the exact setting IS critical. The reason is, the ear’s heightened sensitivity to changes in SPL at low frequencies. A little bit of change in gain on the subwoofer amp translates to a disproportionate change in PERCEIVED loudness ...
That is completely false, notwithstanding your use of ALLCAPS for emphasis. See any basic audiology text for proof, which will show the range of increased sensitivity is typically in the midrange, 2000 - 5000 kHz. And that’s why the midrange of a hi-fi system is so critical to fidelity, even for those of us who also expect to hear the bass.

There is just so much misinformation about LF on these threads, but this was an especially glaring error.
@cleeds wrote: " That is completely false, notwithstanding your use of ALLCAPS for emphasis. See any basic audiology text for proof, which will show the range of increased sensitivity is typically in the midrange, 2000 - 5000 kHz. "

My bad for not explaining where I was coming from.

I do understand what you are saying, but what you are looking at is where the ears are the most sensitive; that is, where sounds of a given SPL are perceived to be the loudest. And indeed that peaks exactly where you say it does (with the peak centered around 3.5-4 kHz).

What I’m talking about is different, and is not nearly so obvious.  I’m talking about the ear’s sensitivity to CHANGES in SPL (and I would use italics instead of allcaps if that was available here). A change in SPL does not produce the exact same change in perceived loudness across the frequency spectrum; it produces more of a change at low frequencies. Go from a low volume level to a high one and the deep bass goes from being inaudible to being thunderous. The unit of measure of perceived loudness is the "phon", and by definition at 1 kHz the loudness in phons is the same as the SPL in decibels, so the two curves share that data point:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Sound/eqloud.html

Now take a close look at how the equal-loudness curves bunch up below 100 Hz. A 5 dB change in SPL at 20 or 30 Hz results in a change in perceived LOUDNESS of about 10 phons, comparable to a 10 dB change in SPL at 1 kHz.

This is what I was talking about, and once you understand that, it will be clear why a small change in gain on the subwoofer amp typically results in a larger than expected change in perceived loudness. Or, to put it another way, why it takes a while to dial in the gain setting on a subwoofer amp.

Duke
golfnutz- You’re twisting it around MC, the whole purpose of level matching is to prevent you from trying to figure out what the volume on the subs should be. That’s why its called level matching.

If you say so. I prefer to say it is to achieve a seamless and pleasing presentation. Please read Duke’s posts above.
I find in practice extremely minor adjustments to my sub level are needed to get it tuned in exactly to my ears, which is consistent with what Duke is saying. Very minor....