preamp vs amp: relative effect on sound?


Recently, there was an interesting thread on combining a tube preamp with a SS amp, which is what apparently a lot of people do.

So two questions.

Q1: in a preamp + amp combo, does each unit affect the eventual sound equally, 50/50, or is one going to affect the sound more than the other?

Q2: in a combo of higher gain preamp + lower gain amp, will more gain being provided by the preamp have any effect on your answer to Q1?
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There are too many variables. You can't lump all solid state in the same basket; some are harsh and bright no matter what you do. The brightness and harshness is the result of distortion; the ear assigns a tonality to all forms of distortion. In the case of solid state, the distortion is higher ordered harmonics which the ear uses to sense sound pressure so its keenly sensitive to their presence, even though on paper they appear to be 'negligible'. They are not.


If the amp is able to employ enough feedback and for the record most are not, it will be able to get rid of most of that annoying distortion. But 99% of solid state amps out there have this problem.


Solid state preamps often have this problem as well. Again in a nutshell, if the circuitry in the preamp is discreet, its likely that it will not have enough feedback to control the higher ordered harmonics and so will also sound bright even though its distortion on paper is quite low.

So if you're going to involve tubes to get around this problem you'll want to use a tube preamp, since the brightness of a solid state preamp can be reproduced by any good tube power amp.


There are solid state preamps that are based on opamps. These have the possibility of not being bright if properly designed (i.e. not asking too much gain out of the opamps; 20dB is about the upper limit with most opamps; this leaves enough gain bandwidth product to prevent distortion from causing brightness). If you have a preamp like this then a tube power amp could be used, or a solid state for that matter.

One tip: most amps sound decent at low volumes. Its when you crank it up that the brightness (if its there) becomes unpleasant! The mark of a good system is that it remains relaxed at high volumes such that you can't tell how loud its playing. IOW if it sounds loud that's bad- move on.
In theory, preamp should have bigger impact on the sound. However, in reality, no matter how good your source and preamp are, you will not get good sound until the amp driving the speaker with ease.

The biggest impact of the system is speaker. AND speakers have to match with amp.
This sort of reductionist questions are useless, but they just keep coming. The audio system is what the word says: a system and a complex one. With a bit of imagination you could even draw a comparison with system theory in physics. When the audio set is stable (as in 'well balanced') the change of individual components will have less of an impact. When the system is unstable even a cable swap may throw things out of whack. Then every change will likely trigger another in a whole string of 'upgrades' until there's a new found balance, a new 'order out of chaos'. If you're lucky. 

@atmasphere Most designers of solid state amplifiers seem to strive for minimal or even zero feedback. Feedback is treated as a negative, something that should be avoided at all cost. Your remark seems to suggest sufficient amounts of feedback are required to reduce distortion. Then why would most solid state designers try to avoid it?



Most designers of solid state amplifiers seem to strive for minimal or even zero feedback. Feedback is treated as a negative, something that should be avoided at all cost. Your remark seems to suggest sufficient amounts of feedback are required to reduce distortion. Then why would most solid state designers try to avoid it?
@edgewear  They don't. Solid state amps that eschew feedback are quite rare!
they both have an equal effect but an amp or preamp with distinctive characteristics will dominate.