Would silver cables beat UP-OCC copper?

@williewonka,

Thank you for the elaborate and detailed response. Your description of the cables with a Teflon outer jacket makes me think of my own custom length Tempo Electric silver ICs with oversized Teflon jackets. The ends are silver WBTs. I use these cables between the preamp and amps. Have been using them for about 14 years now. My default IC for German Octave MRE130, Bryston 4BSST, and now McIntosh MC2301 amps. 
Interestingly, my experience using silver and copper ICs started years ago with OEM Neotech cables. A dealer I met had a variety of Neotech OEM spools laying around and made me several incarnations of these cables when I asked him for some samples. I thought the copper Neotech ICs with copper WBTs sounded the most accurate on triangles and on mid range brass sounding instruments. The silver Neotechs with silver WBTs sounded exactly as others have experienced,,,sounding more zippy on the high end, but, at the same time, I felt as if the mid triangle was nearly, or the same as the copper, but the highs seemed to be a little more emphasized. I believe this perceived sound difference is why some prefer one type of cable over the other (individual gesmach and system composition).  I spent months going back and forth until I just stayed with the silver cables. 
The silver and copper Neotech cables had been my reference point over other cables I have tried for many years. I felt like generals kicking out lieutenants from briefings when vendors came over to demonstrate their high end cables, and I stated, system sounds worse, not interested. For me, thou shall not tell me that I need to allow for cable break in to hear any differences. One should invariably hear something or not, simple as that, and the quality of playback should not  sound less, or cause you to perceive it sounding worse. Some vendors may even say that your cables you own are so bad, that your ears need to adjust to the new cables. Let’s not go down that rabbit hole. 


Recently, I went against the grain of simple cables and ordered Audioquest Fire XlRs between the phono amp and preamp and ordered Analysis Plus Apex Silver phono cable. The Audioquest replaced my Neotech silver ICs and the Analysis Plus replaced my Silver Breeze phono cables with silver WBTs. The Silver Breeze is a simple silver wire with minor outer shielding. So far, all seems to be very quiet with some noticeable improvement in low level details. The Audioquest Fires will stay in place for a while and I will swap in the Neotech silver ICs between preamp and phono to see if I perceive anything glaringly different. If not, it is a shame that simple cable designs, such as pure copper or silver core with an oversized outer Teflon jacket are not more readily spoken of. I do follow the DIY community in another forum, but, that seems like it’s the Underground, LOL. 

Ciao,
Audioquest4life

Does anybody have a guess as to what percentage of the signal strength is captured and released back to the conductor at a different phase?

Also, anyone know the Dielectric Constant (Dk) of the enamel coating on magnet wire?

@koestner - RE: What Percentage

I think a better question is - is it audible?

And the answer is - very audible !

On the signal wire only,  I moved from

• UP-OCC copper with Teflon
• UP-OCC Copper with Foamed Teflon
• UP-OCC coipper in cotton sleeve
• and finally Bare UP-OCC copper in an oversized Teflon tube

Each time there were noticeable improvement

The final variant excelled in details, clarity and imaging, so much that I could not believe what I was hearing from such a simple change

The biggest improvements being the imaging which was clearly audible.

Trusting my ears has always worked for me.

Regards - Steve

In the words of Obi-Wan: "There is another"

That stuff is all wire (silver, copper, carbon fiber, etc), where the molecular structure is locked and solid and is involved in the creation, or more a reflection... the effects we call complex impedance or LCR.

With liquid metal it is completely different. It behaves principally in a quantum fashion. A true and actual quantum level beast as the scientific descriptor of the fluid in situ. Not a buzz word. First time that it is real and is the dominant factor.

for the first time in most people’s lives ...to be able to distance themselves from wire, cables and LCR and see stereoscopically into the subject and find depth or perspective for the first time.

Eg, one can understand what copper sounds like and what silver sounds like and what carbon fiber cables sound like, but what if you remove the underling creator of the effect, the reaction of/in/between the lattice and electron flow, or LCR? What happens when the underlying anchoring fundamental changes? Only Liquid metal changes that and allows for perspective.

the next problem we encounter, is that the entire edifice of electronics and signal is done as a pairing and we can’t escape that influence. thus all audio systems are tuned and altered to fit the problems of when electricity integrates with frozen lattice elemental and alloy solids. When one introduces the liquid metal, they will hear a difference. but will it fit the tuning done, will it fit tuning (system building, expectations, how we learned to hear, etc) that has occurred due to the wire problems, the metals and electrical complex LCR problem?

Which one is correct?

Some people hear it and some don’t, some like it and ask for more and some don’t.

It literally is the biggest change in electrical conductor technology in the past 150 years. Take it to a professor of physics, one who specializes in electron flow, ask him If I exaggerate on that.

Has anyone ever read the patent? I took transformers and inductors and all that end of the AC energy translation pool and completely turned it on it’s goddamned head. How about load sensitive waveform, current, voltage, and frequency shifting and patterning, in a single passive translation device?

Has anyone ever actually read and understood the patent? Audio cables are the SMALLEST, most unimportant part of the patent. The wasted space part, relative to all the rest of it.  I manged to nail the fundamental science, not the application of a known technology. Which is why the other thousand plus patents in new technology aren’t in it. They aren’t.. as it is a cornerstone patent, a fundamental patent. One has to read understand the ramifications of what it says - What it can all be extrapolated into.