Living with unsolvable hum - Any audio detectives out there?


For over a year I have put up with a hum in my system, coming through the speakers (not chassis hum). I cannot make it go away. It seems to be related to the preamp because it stops when I replace the preamp. But I had my local tech hook up the preamp on his bench and it is quiet as a mouse. I've also corresponded with its designer, David Berning, who has been very responsive and helpful. But no luck solving it. I thought it may be related to the separate power supply's umbilical but David Berning said likely not. Earlier this year I even bought a star grounding component from Granite Audio and connected everything to it. Didn't work. After trying everything the engineer at Granite could think of (he was great), he was stumped too. These people have forgotten more than I'll ever know about the subject, so I gave up at that point and just lived with it. I had also tried everything they and a few knowledgeable friends have suggested (see below). But now I would like to take another swing at solving it. Any ideas? What kills me is that now I can't recall when it started, which would be very helpful to diagnose. The system sounds as good as I've ever had it now, and I LOVE the Berning preamp. So replacing it or other major components is not an attractive proposition for me.

For any intrepid detectives, here are the facts:

- Hum is typical 60 cycle sound- both channels equal volume of hum- loud enough to hear at the listening position, but just barely. Quite noticeable when standing at the rack.
- Hums with any source, not volume dependent, still hums with no source components attached (I even tried unplugged them from the wall too). But the hum stops if preamp is disconnected from amps.
- System plugs into a dedicated 20 amp line with eight plugs. Nothing else is on this circuit except my audio system. I had an electrician verify and tighten all the ground connections. The service is a relatively new 200 amp service. The electrician tested and found no ground issues or noise in the dedicated line.
- Tried shutting down all breakers in the house except my dedicated audio line. No effect, surprisingly. I had high hopes for that one!
- Tried cheater plug on everything including the preamp. No effect.
- Tried different interconnects between pre and power amps... No effect.
- Replaced all linestage tubes. No effect.
- Moved components around, moved the power supply, even used long interconnects to move the preamp three feet in front of the rack. No effect.
- Tried an extension cord to plug the preamp into a different AC circuit. No effect.
-The only thing I know of that could try, but have not tried, is replacing the power supply tubes, but I didn't bother because on the bench it made no noise for my tech.

My system:
- Power: Temporarily I'm using a Shunyata T6000 distributor (the hum existed prior to this, and the Shunyata didn't solve it). All Cardas Golden Ref or Golden power cords, except T6000 is plugged into the wall with Shunyata Sigma HC cord.
Analog: Koetsu Rosewood Signature Platinum, Jelco TK-850, Cardas Golden Cross phono cable
Digital: CEC transport and Audio Logic DAC, Golden Cross interconnect.
Preamp: Custom Berning Octal tube preamp with separate tube rectified switching power supply, built-in Jensen transformer MC stage at 24x gain (on the high side, I know, but it sounds amazing compared to other winding options)
-Power amps: Quicksilver v4 monos with KT150 tubes
-Two REL G2 subs (hum existed before them, and persists when they are disconnected and unplugged)
Somehow the interaction between the preamp and other components seems to be creating the problem. Source components don't seem to matter, but amps are Quicksilver v4 monos. Speakers are Verity Audio Parsifals. Interconnects, speaker cables and power cables are Cardas Golden Cross.
Speakers: Verity Audio Parsifal Encores. No surround sound or home theater.

montaldo
Absolute term ghost in the machine, what i can think of is a loose earthing touching signal somewhere, either on board or any of the rca's. With cable connected to output rca's of preamp and using a multimeter do you get a short between pin and earth on the plug? Hope you solve it.
G
I’ve fretted over hum a time or two...one was when my 2 subs weren’t grounded the same (how that happened is still a mystery, clearly operator error), and recently when moving some things around I mistakenly swapped power supplies between a Schiit Loki EQ and a Magni 2 headphone amp...the Loki was not happy as it requires 16 VAC and the Magni 14, so the Loki pointed out this issue by adding a nice low end hum...noticed the power supply swap after some hair pulling checking of every damn thing. Man...
loud enough to hear at the listening position, but just barely. Quite noticeable when standing at the rack.

I have about this same amount of noise, at least. Every time I think it might be worth trying to eliminate it I think how much time and effort that can eat up, and for how little, and balance that against how likely it is I am even able to find it, and say naw not worth it. Then I read one of these stories and say to myself, good man miller, pick your battles. The improvements made the day I spent tweaking my turntable are monster, and instead could have had naught but frustration to show had I spent that time tracking down noise instead.    

Then I drop the needle and whatever the volume even extremely quiet vinyl is more groove noise than the other, so what really would be the point? 

Just sayin'. 

Anyway, the one fact that stands out to me is
Hums with any source, not volume dependent, still hums with no source components attached (I even tried unplugged them from the wall too). But the hum stops if preamp is disconnected from amps. 
To me the simple fact the volume does not change tells me this hum is not coming FROM the pre-amp, because then it should increase when the pre-amp volume is turned up. Only thing I can think of is its an interaction WITH the pre-amp. 

Since you have already tracked down and eliminated everything there then the only thing left seems likely to involve a rather detailed technical knowledge of your amplifier. And with that I can only punt and hope Ralph is there to make the catch and run out the play for a touchdown.