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I admire Miles Davis, i admire Stravinsky; but i loved Chet Baker and Scriabin...You?

What we listen to we cannot trace always a border between cold or cool admiration and heart wrenching love at first sight....

I admire Bach without limit but i love also him dearly....Here admiration and love are one....

The first time li listen to Chet Baker i was not even sure if it was a great trumpetist, but i love him without knowing why....

More i listen to Miles Davis more i admire him but i still wait for love to come....I like it a lot but it is not love and i know the first time i listen to him why he is a great trumpetist, unlike Chet, his mastering of the instrument was evident.... For Chet i listen not the trumpet but the voice of his instrument, i even forgot he was playing the trumpet and the question if he was great was secondary....Miles was great without any doubts.... But i am in love with Chet because he touch my heart.....



Sometimes the frontier between these 2 are less clear, i admire Brahms but i like him more than i love him.... Bruckner i admire him like a new Bach and i love him like our old grandpa with a feeling that will never end....

I admire Monteverdi at the level of my admiration for Bach, but i like him only , it is not this passionnate love that changes my heart and life like with those i love...

I love Bill Evans dearly but i admire Keith Jarrett greatly but without any passion....

I admire and love Vivaldi at the same times.....

I admire Telemann, Haendel, Haydn more than i love them..... I am in love with Purcell tough and Josquin Desprez.....

I admire Hildegard the Bingen and i love her without words.... I am in love with the organ composer Pachelbel but i only admire Palestrina....

I admire Arvo Part very much, but am i in love? No....Excep perhaps for one or 2 of his work: Alina for example....I admire and love Gorecki symphony of tears but not much the rest....Only respect for the rest of his works....

I admire Arrau, Horowitz, many pianists but am i in love? No, but i am in total love with Ervin Nyiregyházi , Ivan Moravec, or Sofronitsky....

I admire the composer Sorabji almost like Bach but dont feel any love at all....Deep fascination and admiration for a genius  that never speak from the heart to the heart, only from his brain to my brain.... But what a genius ! 

I admire many, many, female singers, but i am in love with only a few, i love Billie Holiday, Marianne Anderson for example....

I will not go on with my list any longer...

But what speak to our heart and what speak to our brain is not the same and sometimes some music speak for us to the 2 part of ourselves...

But one thing must me clear, i dont want to live without the great musicians whom i only admire. I like them like interesting friends, even if i am not changed by love at first sight with them, swimming in the sea of adoration....


What are those you admire but only like ? What are those you clearly are in love with?

When the brain speak first and always, it is admiration and friendship not love.... In love there is a mystery in with we participate and which transform our life....

Those who we admire gives us pleasure.... Those who we love gives us not only that but an ultimate meaning that go to your heart.....


Listening music is learning to listen into the many levels in us where music can reach and transform us.... Each music or musician has this potential to change us at a level or at another one, or at all levels simultaneously....But for sure it is different for each of us......

I apologize if my OP makes no sense for some.... I hope my question will make sense for some....

Thanks......

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mahgister OP
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This is the song that Jussi Bjorling bought me to classical music with and is sung by a artist that was almost as good as he and is VERY
seldom heard today . A scandal !
It seems we pray to the same gods...Wunderlich is alone with Bjorling and who knows who else? 

Thanks...
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By the way Elly Ameling is with Christa Ludwig among my few passions...

Hayypy New Year to all of you my friends...
edcyn
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mahgister -- I guess you go for the slo-o-o-o-o-o-o-w. For change of pace, try the final movement of Mozart's Symphony #39.
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Curious about what composers and or symphonies move you?
I can listen and appreciate all composers.... Most of them i like them a lot...

Only very few i love dearly tough...

Some works are so powerful that almost all others works are under their level of power to transform my soul...

But once this thing is said, i despise or i am only cold for very few composers... There is even composers i can admire with only a cold heart and a cold brain...

For example i can write a 500 hundred book pages to prove the genius of Stravinsky.... It will be easy because all his works demonstrate a complete mastering of all musical history and technical skills at the highest level...Same thing for Schoenberg....an incomparable genius indeed...

Why am i able to learn to like these 2 but never able to love them?

Their music come ONLY from their brains, almost never from heart or soul...



Scriabin at the same times is the complete opposite to them, his brain is the slave of his encompassing soul... All his music come through the heart of the listener but does not stay there tough and take him toward the spirit world....His genius is not less than a Schoenberg, but he is no more a human genius, mostly an angel, a magus, a divine thaumaturge of the world soul almost like Beethoven, some messiah with an urgent mission on earth that cannot be only musical prowess only....
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mahgister -- I guess you go for the slo-o-o-o-o-o-o-w. For change of pace, try the final movement of Mozart’s Symphony #39.
Good recommendation indeed...

I love Mozart particularly these last symphonies...

Mozart is a signpost for celestial harmonies...His music dont always come from the heart like in his Requiem but mostly from another world where harmonies ARE life itself....He was inspired indeed more than he really hardly work...

Cosi fan tutte is for me the equivalent of the art of the fugue, it is the pure art of harmonies for voices.... Anyone who read the libretto of this opera waste his time not because it is a bad libretto, but because the harmonies of voices are so trancendentally beautiful that the argument of the libretto appear without any link to these out of the world harmonies and seems ridiculous... I dont even  want  to see this opera, only listening to it,  eyes shut and sealed...

He work rarely but the day he encounter Bach made him think for the first time in his life about writing music slowly with his brain and not only with his spirit beside him... 😊
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