In Defense of Audiophiles, Bose, Pass, Toole and Science


I don’t know why I look at Audio Science Reviews equipment reviews, they usually make me bang my head against my desk. The claims they make of being scientific is pretty half-baked. Don’t get me wrong, I appreciate measurements, and the time it takes to conduct them, along with insights into the causes, but judging all electronics based on 40+ year old measurements which have not really become closer to explaining human perception and enjoyment, they claim to be objective scientists. They are not. Let me tell you some of the people who are:

  1. Bose
  2. Harman
  3. Nelson Pass
  4. Floyd Toole


This may look like a weird list, but here is what all these have in common: They strive to link together human perception and enjoyment of a product to measurements. Each have taken a decidedly different, but very successful approach. They’ve each asked the question differently. I don’t always agree with the resulting products, but I can’t deny that their approach is market based and scientific.


Floyd Toole’s writing on room tuning, frequency response and EQ combines exact measurements with human perception, and as big a scientist as he is he remains skeptical of measurements, and with good reasons.


The process Nelson Pass uses is exactly right. His hypothesis is that a certain type of distortion, along with other important qualities, are what make for a great sounding amp, and lets face it, the process, and his effectiveness cannot be denied as not being scientific or financially successful. Far more scientific than designing or buying an amp based on THD% at 1 watt alone.


Bose is also very very scientific, but they come at the problem differently. Their question is: What is the least expensive to manufacture product we can make given what most consumers actually want to hear?" Does it work? They have 8,000 employees and approximately $4B in sales per Forbes:


https://www.forbes.com/companies/bose/#1926b3a81c46


Honestly, I don’t know how your average Bose product would measure, but you don’t get to these numbers without science. Assuming they measure poorly, doesn’t that mean measurements are all wrong?


The work Harman has done in getting listening panels together, and trying out different prototypes while adhering to previous science is also noteworthy. Most notably and recently with their testing of speaker dispersion which has resulted in the tweeter wave guides in the latest Revel speakers. They move science forward with each experiment, and then put that out into their products.


Regardless of the camp you fall into, crusty old measurements, perception measurements or individual iconoclast, we also must account for person to person variability. It’s been shown for instance that most people have poor sensitivity to phase shifts in speakers (like me), but if you are THAT person who has severe sensitivity to it, then all those studies don’t mean a thing.


My point is, let’s not define science as being purely in the domain of an oscilloscope. Science is defined by those who push the boundaries forward, and add to our understanding of human perception as well as electron behavior through a semi-conductor and air pressure in a room. If it’s frozen in 40 year old measurements, it’s not science, it's the worship of a dead icon.


Best,


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erik_squires
Hi,
i enjoyed some part of it, feels a bit old fashioned, but shows some involvement and has an authoritative name. Single ended triodes will suffer and the majors will prove supremacy. No it is not a conspiracy theory but any conclusion for recommendation based only on measurements will definitely have its fans. Why should a listening perception be justified or otherwise, has to be proven on paper (or a measurement device)? What it would change?
There was a post at the bottom of one of the reviews: listening impressions?
There was a post at the bottom of one of the reviews: listening impressions?


Which, IMHO they are doing wrong and with bias.

You should listen before measurement, or in the absence of knowing what those measurements are. If you measure, analyze and listen, in that order, you are actually creating confirmation bias. 
I have read and watched Floyd Toole more than the others you posted.

How can science, a cold and calculating endeavor if ever there were one, help with delivering the emotions of great music? It is because, in the space between the performers and the audience, music exists as sound waves. Sound waves are physical entities, subject to physical laws, amenable to technical measurement and description and, in most important ways, predictable. The physical science of acoustics allows us to understand the behavior of sound waves as they travel from the musician to the listener, whether the performance is live or recorded.

The scientific method requires measurements and, in audio, we do two kinds: subjective and objective. Then we enter the domain of psychoacoustics, the study of relationships between physical sounds and the perceptions that result from them. Psychoacoustics allows us to understand and interpret measurements in ways that relate to what we hear. However, it is all based on the premise that human listeners agree on what is, and is not, good sound. Individual points of view are a part of human nature. They enrich our lives in countless ways. The world would be a boring place if we were all attracted to the same music, food, wine and people. A commonly expressed point of view is that sound also is “subjective”, that we all “hear differently”, and therefore not all of us prefer the same loudspeakers, amplifiers, etc. It is also alleged that different nationalities, and regions have different preferences in sound. I have always regarded these assertions with suspicion because, if they were true, it would mean that there would be different pianos for each of these regions, different trumpets, bassoons and kettledrums. Vocalists would change how they sang when they were in
Germany, Britain, and the U.S. I wonder what Pavarotti’s Japanese timbre sounds like? Of course, it doesn’t happen that way. The entire world enjoys the same musical instruments and voices in live performance, and the recording industry sends the same recordings throughout the world.

My impression of Toole is he’s basically your garden variety old school gum flapper. 
My impression of Toole is he’s basically your garden variety old school gum flapper.


Toole is a giant and our ability to buy and enjoy the best in audio reproduction rests on the shoulders of men like him.  I don't agree with everything he says, but his engineering skills are top notch and his willingness to pass that to others is priceless.