Is the 2.5 way speaker the ideal home speaker?


Time for what I hope is another fun thread. 

One type of speaker which is actually pretty common but which gets little press / attention here on audiogon is the 2.5 way. 

A 2.5 way speaker is almost a 3-way, but it isn't. It is a speaker with 3 drivers, but instead of a tweeter, midrange and woofer (TMW) it lacks a true midrange. The "midrange" is really a mid-woofer, that shares bass duties with the woofer. Often these two drivers are identical, though in the Focal Profile 918 the midwoofer and woofer were actually different drivers with the same nominal diameter (6"). 

The Monitor Audio 200 is a current example of the concept, but I am sure there are many others. It's also quite popular in kit form. One of the most high-end kits I know of is the Ophelia based on a ScanSpeak Be tweeter and 6" Revelator mid-woofers. I haven't heard them, but I am in eternal love with those mid-woofers. I believe the original plans come from the German speaker building magazine Klan Ton. 

However many other kits are also available

But regardless of kit, or store purchased, are you a 2.5 way fan? Why or why not? 

Best,


Erik 
erik_squires
As a DIY speaker builder, I've logged many hours building & tweaking crossovers, and one big compromise of a 3-way design is the HP filter you have to put on the midrange.  This is, at the very least a large capacitor to roll off at ~350 Hz, plus a large inductor too for a 2nd order.  These components are now in the signal path of your crucial midrange frequencies, and they're also affecting the phase alignment of the midrange with the tweeter.  You may also need to invert the polarity of the mid driver (or not)... it just depends on other parts of the design.    The 2.5-way design has fewer crossover components in the way of the midrange, and has more low end capability than just a 2-way.  There still will be some phasey issues between the 2 woofers as the lower woofer rolls in to align with the upper woofer.   I admire the idea, but I've never built or owned a 2.5 way design.
@microlab
If you properly account for the resistance of a coil and use quality parts, I’ve not seen a problem with crossing at 350 hz. A simple cap will typically run between 50 and 150 mic’s. An inductor can certainly add phasing problems... using an inductor and porting can cause real phase issues in a woofer, but with proper crossover point selection, using driver compensation and quality parts, most issues can be avoided. I would highly recommend that when you can to just avoid using 12/12 slopes, that will normally stop the need of having to reverse polarity. 6/12 or 12/18 butterworth are both more phase coherent than 12/12 anyway. If you need to run 12/12, choose linkwitz slopes.
Bump start this thread as I have just come across it

My take on 2.5 ways is that the benefits are only if using roughly 5.5" driver size. Plus points- covering 400hz and below is covered by the surface area of 2 drivers. So baritone vocal range can be surprisingly good with 2.5ways. Also as 2 drivers share bass duties the top midbass driver has less work to do (no bsc) compared to a 2 way and mids will benefit. Still, a 3 way is better in this respect.
Also cab size is kept compact. I dont like the term ’WAF’ but a small footprint with good bass output is attractive.
One disadvantage is a sometimes boomy bass which requires bringing the speakers out into the room. Which kind of defeats the purpose of compact and room friendly. This is due to the 6db gain from the bottom woofer. Typical room gain adds around 2db lift at lower frequencies, so the baffle step compensation of adding .5 woofer can often be too much.
Hence surprised we dont see more sealed design 2.5 ways imo.
I think it is helpful to think of speaker design as largely being an evolutionary process based upon consumer demand. There is a reason why large Altec Lansings and Klipsch K-horns gave way to acoustic suspension like the AR3a and KLH to Advent and then to the predominant design of the day-narrow baffled deep floor standers that are ported and either 3 way or 2.5. 
There is a reason too why the outlier designs like planars, wide baffles, open baffles, time arrays, plasmatrons, you name it remain outliers. 
It is largely a matter of being able to deliver the most-looked-for audio attributes for an average consumer's room with an average consumers choice of amplification at a reasonable cost. It is a matter of survival of the fittest. The companies that thrive innovate and evolve and their research and development over time begins to converge on a common solution to these consumer wants. 
In the Preamp/Amp forum someone asked about amplification for the Spendor D7.2 and I tried to help but unwittingly derailed the thread a big when I compared and contrasted the D7.2 with the DeVore O/93's. I own both. I was thinking of this very concept while describing what makes the Spendors so attractive. They do the imaging, soundstage, and midrange things exceedingly well. Most but not all present-day audiophiles want these attributes. Standmounts do these things exceedingly well too at the expense of bass and authority. But again, my main point is that the DeVore O/93's play to a whole different suit of priorities that for better or worse, are sought after by a minority of high-end listeners. I happen to prefer the DeVores but for variety I love the Spendors too. 
Hi. Newbie here. I've been reading this thread with interest and wondered if it might be helpful to briefly summarize the basic rationale behind a 2.5-way design.

It's really a question of performance versus cost. Multiple woofers deliver more bass output than a single woofer. If those woofers are relatively small -- say, 6.5-inch or less -- they should also deliver reasonably good sound in the midrange. However, if they are all operating in unison up to the crossover point with the tweeter, there will be anomalies in the midrange stemming from the physical separation of the woofers. So only one woofer (usually the one closest to the tweeter) is allowed to operate that high; the other (there could be more than one, although I can't think of any examples) is rolled off at a much lower frequency.

A 3-way design should preferable, at least in theory, but it requires an additional type of driver and a more complex crossover network, and both of those increase the cost.