Snake oil came first. By a likely ~ +50k years

I still disagree it is not the oldest professionalism. Training, passed on, has name and shape, formal...yes, yes, yes, yes all buttons clicked. 

n80, you have expertise in hearing and perception? You don’t say? Care to explain to the folks at home what you think the difference is between hearing and perception? Or are you still talking about pharma and placebos?

I thought the shaman things of origins in professionalism was quite interesting. And I decided to put the snake oil comment in the title as is is part of the problem the shaman suffered.

Looking at the origins of snake oil, which is the far east... it is deemed to be a real and well known effective balm with good science behind it.

Rather, it is western ideas and histories on the word pairing of ’snake oil’ that has fault or it’s own but essentially -incorrect meaning. Nevertheless, it is a descriptive.

Which is tied to the attack of the shaman, even though the shaman is the source. Probably THE source. The main point of human concentration of effort, thought, contemplation, inspiration and so on. Beyond critical. There are other interpretations, this is just the one I’m writing at the moment. You might see or write something else.

Multifaceted, it is...where people can plant their own complex ideas on it and call their viewing point complete and well founded (they can see for miles!-all clear!)... and then emerge as righteous with their wrath upon it, in whatever way such may manifest.

The thread has no point, rambling is the point.

Everyone knows the best conversations at the party happen in the kitchen. It’s where the cooking is going on. And that meal might have anything in it, and probably should.

Keeping to the party analogy, the thread will likely degenerate to some of the more willful engaging in fisticuffs outside and the police will have to be called. But it can be fun for a while. All good parties tend to ride the ragged edge.

The study was intertesing adding snake oil to it wasn't . 50K years ago it wasn't snake oil it was how we began to understand our universe , today the shaman, prophet, holy man, witch doctor, whatever you want to call them  peddle snake oil and know it. There are differing opinions some say the soldier is the beginning of professionalism , some the Priest though that would also be the shaman. 

This thread cannot degenerate.