Talk but not walk?


Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


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geoffkait,

I wonder what a dog-in-a-bone is, too. Where did you find it?

If you misread it and you are referring to prof’s "I have indeed been a dog-on-a-bone in this thread, I certainly admit that.", he may be willing to explain when he finds time. I can only speak for myself, but it seemed like a very clear metaphor with more than a bit of self-inflicting humor attached to it.
I find it funny when @geoffkait accuses people he routinely refers to as "pseudo skeptics" of name calling
geoffkait,

In and On are different words with different meaning.

Just as Michael Green made me think about what he wrote, albeit his topics were worth considering if not completely agreeable upon, you made me think, too, and I think I am slowly realizing where you are coming from.

Glancing over the references you post, words you repeat, forum you decided to express your opinion on (or in, if you prefer that option), mysterious quizzes full of unanswerable questions, and passion you have for a few of these, there is only one place you may be coming from.

This last Zen copy you provided us has many features of a check-out counter literature. Words chosen to leave the reader breathless, some romantic hints, wisdom for everyday life, fight for the truth against "the cruel world that does not understand us" and, above it all, passion. Such literature deserves Fabio on the cover and that is what gave it away. It all came together.

The answer to your well-crafted and unannounced quiz is.....

Target (store).

You did good this time. You gave us all those subtle hints and we did not even notice. We thought you were not making sense, but you outdid yourself this time.


Congratulations. Say hello to Fabio from the rest of the Audiogon bunch. Is he really as friendly as his interviews make him appear to be?


gloopson, do you have any idea how crazy you are? Am I allowed to say that?