learning to listen


I'm sure most of you have had the experience of telling someone of your passion of listening to your high-end audio system and the other party remarks, "I have a tin ear and couldn't hear the difference."
A simple conversation came up in the office today relating to stiff necks as a result of talking on the phone. I suggested switching the phone to the other ear. The response was that they could not hear the phone conversation as well out of the other ear, besides they they were not able to write if needed with their other hand. I am able to confirm this observation. When listening to my music system at home, I don't feel that i have a bias as to one ear or the other, but on the phone, I can find that it only sounds correct from my left ear. I am right handed. Why is this? I believe that listening on the phone or otherwise is a learned experience. It should sound the same from one ear to the other if you have no hearing defects but the reality is that for everyone I have asked it isn't so. So, it would appear that the increased sensitivity required to clearly hear a phone conversation is a universally "learned" experience and that any person is capable of also learning to appreciate the benefits of a so called high-end audio system. The claim of the tin ears is vastly over rated. If you can concentrate enough to understand a phone conversation, you can train your ears/brain to appreciate a fine music system. I can not explain otherwise why the phone sounds totally different from one ear to the other but everything else is in natural balance other than the learned experience of talking on the phone with my left ear since childhood. If the average "Joe" can hear and talk on the minature cell phones, he can certainly be trained to appreciate the better quality audio components on the market.

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I agree with you. I've noticed that if I put enough effort into using my other ear while talking on the phone, it eventually adjusts and I sometimes forget that I'm using my "off" ear.

As for non-audiophiles becoming critical listeners, I think the only obstacle would be whether they like the music being played or if they really give a hoot if it has a huge soundstage or delineates inner detail well. But, sometimes time changes all that.
I think your assumption that people have equal hearing in each ear is not correct, and it is natural for people to favor one ear over the other on the phone because of this.

I believe it is not uncommon to have different levels of hearing in each ear, just like with your eyes. That is why you find you eyeglass persriptions often have seperate adjustments for each eye. That is why balance control or speaker/seating adjustments are necessary for each individual and can vary from person to person.

Music is an art form and as such some people have deep passion/interest/ability for it and enjoy it, and other people never will have more than causual interest in it, but really has nothing to do with hearing ability. Remember Beethoven created some of his masterworks when he was almost completely deaf, so I think whether your hearing is perfectly balanced in each ear has little to do with music
appreciation.
Interesting, I bet, every ear is slihgtly different but similar. 99.99% of human can't hear like dog do. So, I will still put all human in the same equiment group.

One thing is "the mind to true sound" may be different.
My personal finding is that most of people think "detail", "resolution" means "true to live music".
So, when they compare gears, jump into the wrong conclusio too early like "It is better bcz I hear needle drop inside the orchesta"....

It is wrong because you are not supposed to hear it. Your amp or speaker may just filter out most of music spectrum and let you notice that garbage "needle drop".
Just like you can do image processing to see something more clear on a picture. Something stands out when you drop others. And this is "filtering" or "spectrum manipulation" and not "true to the music". I know lots of my stereo frinds chasing this wrong direction. I never hear a musican turning paper louder than his violin. We do have to admit that quite a number of people there trying to show off their gear because the system reveal that crap sound.

It is a "mind" effect.

If YoYo Ma can't fatigue you in live performance then your hi-end system should not.
I ears hurt from a wrongly setup system.
Fascinating thread Rh. Whether or not a person "gets into" (and few do) high end audio probably has most to do with attitudes, interests, preferences, and exposure to "good music reproduction" etc-- rather than much to do with hearing. Of course the high end is expensive both in terms of money and TIME.

We (audiophiles) often talk about the dollar cost of this hobby, but there are many other time consuming hobbies available to us, and most people just won't sit still and do nothing but listen to music like we do-- yet,(oddly) many can watch TV for hours at a time.

Your 'phone comparison is interesting too. My right ear has slightly worse hearing acuity than my left, yet I always use the 'phone with my right ear-- and I'm right handed too. So, I agree 'phone useage is a learned behavior.

And I agree with Sam too, ie I would not buy a pre-amp without balance control because of the difference in hearing acuity of my ears. Yet this slight impairment has not diminished my interest in this "sport". Cheers. Craig
Yes, I got the bug very early in life.

As a child *live* just grabed me. No matter how bad aunt Sophi played. But then when she played something I recognized,--"grap-grab" more so.

The real treat was listening to a marching band / an orchestra-- live.---But all the while I listened to the radio 24/7.

So it is the combination of the *live* music/ and any music that is pleasing to you.--Any genera.

On to one's stereo. I've learned to listen deeper/ for lack of a better word. As I was able to afford better; I have been able to discern *more*. Like you are educating your ears to here beyond what most listen for.
You have to have this burning desire for *more*-- *better*--Quite an affliction to the wallet.