neutrality vs musicality


I start this thread hoping people will say their views - there are clearly no answers, and this is pure forum banter, but it will be nice to have such discussion.

I had always thought that the 'the Absolute Sound' is the correct sound model - ie based on fidelity to the original source. To this end I have bought products to attain these goals.

However, I do wonder if this aspiration to neutrality is in fact complete nonsense. I say this for the following reasons:

1. In typical living room here in the UK (9 x 4m) the idea of having a system create a rock concert or full orchestra is not possible. We are in essence creating an illusion - and that is the starting point of detraction from the original sound/source;

2. The SPL of live musicians and the dynamic swings, cannot be reproduced unless in the rarified cases of those who can buy large Rockports (or the like) and have sufficient space;

3. When was the last time any of got to hear wholly unamplified live music - Small London Jazz clubs amplify drums, vocals, horns, and pianos in venues no larger than half a tennis court.

When we go on the upgrade path, we tend to get more of something - whether it be more bass, cleaner treble, whatever - so does that take us closer to neutral - or does it bring about the emphasis within that part of the recording.

I had the chance of hearing a modified Lenco and a Funked up Linn on the same day. I had never really given much either attention - always dismissing the Linn for being 'musical' but if truth be told I thought it was absolutely wonderful - truly enjoyable. It may have been musical, but perhaps being musical is actually closer to neutrality than any other perceived notion on the simple basis that Musicians ordinarily seek to communicate a musical message, and no doubt some enjoyment through their medium of music.

So I guess I leave it at this - is 'Musical' the true neutrality?
lohanimal
I agree with Newbee. This whole debate is an exercise in futility as inferred in Viridian's post. To me it is always about accessing the performance. Every system I have heard is different in some way. Some access the music better than others. The other issue that is quite clear is taste. In the absence of "absolute sound" we each make choices. Over time these choices may be replaced with new choices. One man's "neutrality" is another's "musical". The real difficulity for me to accept is that replicating live music is impossible but enjoyment and engagement in the performance of music reproduced is not and at the end of the day that's all that matters. Sounds natural = less fatigue = more listening = more enjoyment and less analysis.
IMO it's possible to achieve both even with a modest system. If you can get the tonality and timbre of either voice or an acoustic instrument right you have neutrality that is musical. Male vocals are a good test for mid-upper bass colorations. If they sound slow/tubby or muddy there is usually a bass boost which destroys both neutrality and musicality. Most would agree the piano is the most difficult instrument to reproduce. The highest note reaches 4.186khz to the lowest 27.5hz. This gives you the best test tool regarding neutrality and musicality. If the speaker/electronics fail these tests move on.
Its all semantics. You can't hear written words, so impossible to accurately describe whaqt something sounds like.

Plus recordings are seldom accurate reproductions of what occurred live, rather the technical product of the engineers who created them more than than the original musicians.

The good news is who cares? Does it really matter? Do you have to see the original scene to enjoy a Monet? No. The results either move or affect you or not. That's all that matters. There are many recipes for good soup.
Do you have to see the original scene to enjoy a Monet?
Now that's a sensible approach to the subject.
Extract the most you can from the source.......and sit back and enjoy.