I have heard them on various occasions under "show conditions" and they have sounded great. Ditto the other models.
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I would find a pair of Polymer Audio MKS to listen to as they are exactly the same price as the YG speakers, even if I had to fly to find a pair.
If I was going to spend that much on a pair of loudspeakers, I would absolutely want to listen to this new speaker company which is due to shake up the established uber loudspeaker field.
There is no other loudspeaker in the world that offers this level of build quality, and attention to detail with the worlds best loudspeaker drivers: a pure diamond midrange, and a pure diamond tweeter, coupled with two custom long throw woofers and in an extremely well damped composite metal cabinet.
Everything in these speakers is the best possible parts from pure silver binding posts, pure silver wire, custom wound silver inductors, no stone has been left unturned to make these speakers perform at the highest level possible.
These speakers were the hit of the Newport audio show and everyone who has heard them have been blown away by the resolution, musicality, macro dynamics and just plain realism.
Polymer sounds like a good design, steep fourth order crossovers, keeping the midrange crossed over fairly low keeps the woofers out of the midrange, though I'm a little surprised they crossover to the tweeter at a somewhat lowish 2k. Makes the tweeter work a little harder than it needs to and maybe causes a slight loss in extension as noted in the Soundstage review. But it appears the designer properly focused on accurate on axis and off axis response across the frequency range (power response) which contributes to precise imaging. Using two long throw 6.5" woofers provides significant air moving capability, speed, and increased efficiency. Appears to be a good design that would work well in most rooms. But speakers costing north of $30K had better create some significant wow factor.
I had the opportunity to audition YG's Haily 1.2 over the weekend at California Audio Show 2014. In my opinion, they were the-best-in-show "speakers". The staging, dynamics, and bass was amazingly good. They just sounded musical. But for MSRP of $43! I am not sure if they're competitively priced, unless the speakers are heavily discounted as some have suggested here.
The best-in-show "sound", IMO, was the Magico S5 system. Magico S5, are $30K plus and they sounded just magnificent, very musical. BUT, although the S5 is rated to go down to 26 KHz, I just did not feel the bass impact; Haily 1.2 was superior in this area. Also, at this price range speaker aesthetics matters, compared to haileys, Magico S5 speakers are just ugly (very boxy looking from the front angle)and I don't think paying extra $3 grand for cool automotive paint improves the look.
Going by the price alone and if you don't mind lack of authoritative bass, Magico S5 was the winner, but if you have to have solid bass performance and can get a major discount, Hailey 1.2 would be my choice.
Mjama, I agree with your comments about the S5's which sound wonderful. Just to correct you on one thing however, the S5's are rated to 22Hz factory spec, whilst Martin Colloms measured in-room response to 25Hz in his Hifi Critic review (which is still damn good for a sealed speaker). You may have been thinking of the S3's which are rated to 26Hz.
Btw I also recently heard the Hailey 1.2's with Lamm M2.2 mono's in one room & the new Soulution 501 mono's, 520 pre & The Beast in another. The Hailey's fit, finish & looks score very high as you mentioned. I am not so unkind to the look of the S5's however, which in Titanium grey atleast look very nice in my room.
The Hailey 1.2's sound very smooth, fast & are great sound stagers. They move plenty of air & the bass goes deep paired with the right amp, though I felt the S5's bass reveals more texture and layering. Vitus or Soulution's latest amps would be a great choice for amplification which would smooth out the slightly hot (lively) sound and add some warmth and body.
Keep in mind the S5's need a long time to fully break in. Magico recommend a minimum of 200hrs to allow the caps & chokes to play in, however i've heard numbers as high as 1000hrs for the S5's to be about 85% run in. Also, I plan on installing a set of 6 Stillpoints Ultra 5's & Ultras bases under my S5's soon which should really improve their mojo!
Interesting comments. The bass on the S5 should be quite a bit more substantial than the one the YG. You are talking about 2X10Â vs 1X10Â, both in sealed box (I even think these are both made by Scan Speak, with some cone modification by YG/Magico) . The YG, are also less efficient and will have less power handling capabilities due to that. Something was off with the setup you heard. I agree on the look to some degree, a bit bulky looking, but for the money, hard to bit.
Fargo, the S5 is tuned differently than the Hailey 1.2. The S5 was designed to be a bit warmer and more laid back in presentation than the Q3, yet have a lower center of gravity with more bass presence. Overall the S5 is a well balanced and very coherent speaker. The S5's bass is accurate & follows the music without dominating the frequency spectrum. When the music calls for it, the S5's can "freaking pound" as Jeff Fritz remarked on first audition, but can also render layering and terrific inner detail within the bass frequencies if the accompanying equipment and source material are up to scratch.
The Hailey 1.2's certainly move plenty of air & go deep in the bass due to the design of the speaker. The top section is a complete 2 way speaker (Hailey 1.1), with a sub-woofer module bolted on which makes it the 1.2. The sub-module is focused on the low bass region & part of the mid-bass region, crossing over at 65Hz, and YG use a 7.25" bass midrange to handle the remaining mid-bass, upper bass & midrange. And to these ears that's where the S5's come into their own. The S5's M380 carbon nano-tech midrange which utilizes a dual neodymium, underhung motor system with pure titanium voice coil former is the same midrange, albeit tuned to the S5, as the Q3 & is capable of midrange magic, especially on jazz voice. Here the Hailey's can't quite replicate the same luscious vocals, warmth or musicality as the S5's midrange in my view.
To me, midrange drivers should focused on the critical midband. The S5's crossover to the midrange at 200Hz and hand over to the tweeter at about 2kHz, meaning it is a true midrange driver, not bass midrange like the Hailey. The Hailey's drivers are certainly fast and very low distortion, and they do indeed sound well balanced, if a little lively. You can see and hear the money in them. However at the end of the day, the two speakers sound very different and are likely to appeal to equally divergent tastes. And there is also the small matter of a $10k price difference.
General comment re the lack of imagination on box design by YG(and also Magico). With all the bragging about technical capabilities and manufacturing tolerances why not a bit of creativity in design. Why not put these "5 axis" computer controlled wizards to better use. They could have a sculpted face - and use no more material. I have to think Revels Salon 2's face design is far more "technically appropriate". Magico's huge flat faces are reminiscent of 60's and 70's deign. Even JBL's 250 Ti's were more stylish; with technical merit to the design as well (although not fully optimized).
I have to think the front elevations of speakers will soon be a merited target of improvement by both these companies as the benefits of Revel Salon 2's design are indisputable. (Even Green Mountain Audio has had much more progressive design ideas. I can't imagine why they haven't managed flat frequency response however).
I have to think Revels Salon 2's face design is far more "technically appropriate"
The Q series face plate is indeed sculpted, and unlike Revel, which have a large flat area around the drivers, the Q face plate is completely round on the horizontal axis. It is also not made out of MDF, nor any of the hardware is exposed. If you look at Revel Salon2 measurement in comparison to the S5 ( Both on Soundstage), you can see how much better the S5 is, in particular the THD measurements. BTW, the YG fall flat on their faces in that regards.
Ptss, I guess beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. YG Hailey and Magico S5 are both sculpted designs. S5 less so, but Magico still use a curved aluminium cabinet, and it has curved corners at the front to eliminate diffraction. The design was intentional to reduce cost vs the Q series, whilst approaching the Q series performance at a more accessible price. If Magico had made S5 like the M Project speakers, the S5's would have cost between $50-$60k. Anyway, you don't just sit and look at speakers..you play music. And whilst the Ultima Salon 2 is a good speaker, you can't compare it to the S5 which has a computer-modelled 1/2" thick heavily braced extruded aluminum cabinet and superior drivers (including a Q-series Nano-tech midrange) made to very tight tolerances. Doug Schneider conceded it was a better speaker than the Salon 2 in his review for Soundstage. With YG, you either like the design or hate it. But the engineering and fit and finish are beyond reproach. Different horses for different courses as they say.
"If you look at Revel Salon2 measurement in comparison to the S5 ( Both on Soundstage), you can see how much better the S5 is, in particular the THD measurements."
In some areas the S5 wins, in some (off-axis dispersion, linearity) the Salon2 comes out on top. The SoundStage reviewer also came up with a bit of split decision, in essence saying he occasionally missed mid-bass weight with the Magico and suggesting that it could get a little hot in reflective rooms (all the while praising the S5 as super-revealing).
To the extent that there's a need for the two brands to compete, the S5 should be a better speaker given that it costs a third more. In the end, we don't listen to dollars or numbers or designers or dollars, we listen to speakers. The Salon 2s work great for me, just as it's clear David loves his S5s. Everybody has won.
Good post P59teitel! Agreed you can't really go wrong with either speaker. There is no doubt the Salon 2's are very good, though just to clarify, the mid-bass issue Doug referred to was later solved when he adjusted the S5's speaker positioning. Fyi here is what he said -
the S5Âs upper bass, while more prominent than the V2Âs, was still a touch subdued. The tightness and impact in that region were there, just down a touch in level. As a result, the S5Âs bass was never overpowering. However, there were times when I did want the greater upper-bass heft that IÂm used to, which adds weight and grandeur. I compensated as I had with TannoyÂs DC10As ($16,500/pair), which IÂve just reviewed, and which exhibited a similar quality: I pushed the S5s closer to the front wall, to get a little more boundary reinforcement for the low end. Everything fell into place and, from top to bottom, the S5s sounded nothing short of spectacular.
Audiobrian: DYSAF: just go listen to a set of YG Carmel's. There is something magical about 2 way designs done correctly. (All the old warhorses on this post know this!). After 3 years of living with this speaker it is still the best speaker I have heard in a typical home-room environment. Incredible dynamics, transparency, and musical accuracy! Throw some current into them, they finish notes that will leave you shaking your head with disbelief from what you have heard I the past! Overpriced???--- only the naysayers will tell you this-Go listen!
Mel, computer modelled face for the S5? It looks like the computer was not educated to the incredible negative effects of a 'basic rectangular' plate for driver placement. I've recently heard the crossover must be designed with the face in mind. How much complexity to work with the reflections? Would a technically appropriate sculpted face allow simplification of the crossover and even better sound? Anyway, the Wharfedale 3 way's I built myself about 1972 looked much the same-a rectangle on end. Kind of makes me wonder if the guys at REVEL have a little more depth of knowledge of speaker and acoustics. And of course the JBL DD6700's just take it to a completely different level again.
Ptss, yes Magico used COMSOL computer modelling to assist in designing the S5's. The front facia is made from a solid billet of 1/2" thick CNC-machined pure T6061 aluminium which provides a very solid platform for the drivers to work in perfect piston motion as they were designed. Regarding Magico's design philosophy for the S5, Alon's aim was to approach the Q series resolution, dynamics and linearity, whilst tuning the S5's for a warmer, slightly more laid back presentation than Q3, though at a more affordable price point.
It is possible to successfully employ a wide, flat front baffle using rounded front edges and a tapered cabinet design. Infinity designed my previous Renaissance 90's in a similar way & they achieved excellent sound staging and off-axis performance! And the S5's cabinet is designed in a similar way.
I take your point about the complexity of a traditional 4th order crossover required for such a design, however the crossover used in the S5 is not a 'conventional' design. Magico use their 'Elliptical Symmetry Crossover' technology which enables them to deliver (as Martin Colloms put it) "flat pass-band responses with superior and symmetrical phase summation, and faster out-of-band roll-offs using modified 'ellipticalÂ filters". The beauty of this design is it allows these desirable performance parameters to be achieved with half the number of parts used in a traditional crossover.
just to get an update anybody recently reviewed the Hailey ? any opinions on it ?
2 days ago I was auditioning a full aesthetix setup and the dealer was using YG Anat III ref the sound stage was huge and deep but somewhat hollow and transparent with good micro details, bass was pretty fast and was pretty coherent with the rest of the frequencies spectrum (i have been listening all this while towards the thick and luscious sounding of dyns).
However the dealer offered me a deal for the Hailey for exactly half the price!! As he said that it was a demo set that was used recently for introduction of the Haileys in the recent AV show that was held in August.
Now that got me really curious as its a new model directly descended from its flagship model Sonja with only 3 months of usage and with a 50% discount?? I am not familiar with YG's loudspeakers it was my first time listening to it..
I did ask my dealer that i would like to audition the hailey but somehow was skeptical with this half the price deal...
I've heard the Hailey in my Dealer's treated showroom paired with a Vitus RS-100, DCS Pucini cd player & DCS Scarlatti dac. The Vitus RS-100 provided the normal Vitus hallmarks of smoothness, tonal richness, mellifluousness & non-fatiguing sound, together with excellent control. The DCS gear was certainly resolving, but I find DCS a bit analytical. Also digital volume controls have limitations. I am sure a Vitus RD-100 & RCD-101 would have had better synergy.
The Haileys are dynamic, coherent, resolving and project an expansive sound stage. The Haileys are definitely smoother sounding than earlier YG speakers thanks to newer (better) tweeters and ongoing refinement of crossovers etc. I wouldn't say as smooth or laid back in presentation as the S5's. Paired with Boulder, Spectral or Rowland, the Haileys would sound too 'metalic' and still a bit bright for my liking.
I've heard the Haileys with Lamm 2.2 mono's, Lamm LL2.1 pre & Ayon front end. In this setup, the Hailey's conveyed the warmth and tube virtues of the Lamms & sweetness of the Ayon, but was under-powered imho. The extreme resolution of these speakers and their tuning means they benefit from from either some tubes in the mix or smooth tube-like ss amps.
The best sound i've heard with YG perhaps unsurprisingly was a pair of Sonja's paired with a Vitus SS-102 amp, CH Precision D1/C1 combo & Gigawatt PC-2 EVO Power Conditioner. The SS-102's great control and wonderfully smooth, rich, effortless sound sounded great with the CH front end. The big Vitus is the only amp which i've heard tame the YG's tendency to brightness. I really enjoyed that listening session.
In summary, the Hailey is a really impressive speaker with exceptional build quality and displays similar class to the Sonja, but imho is best matched with Vitus amps. For sure CH D1/C1 works well also if your pockets are deep enough. Then again, there is the Vitus Masterpiece transport/dac ;) For me personally, I believe your system needs to be balanced. I could have bought a pair of Haileys, but that would have meant making compromises elsewhere which meant I would not have gotten the best of the speakers. Instead I went for the S5's and am building a balanced system around those speakers.