Yet another turntable recommendation question


Hello all,
Longtime reader of the forums, but I rarely post. As a relative noob, I have learned much from reading your conversations, so thank you.
I am currently looking to upgrade my turntable situation from my old plastic Technics and Onkyo hand-me-downs.
Budget would be stretched at $600-ish.
Features I like...
- removable headshell, or at least a way to easily change carts and related tonearm adjustments
- speed stability!! (as a musician, pitch instability drives me absolutely insane)- some prospect of upgrading over time (tonearm, platter, sub-platter, wiring, etc.)
- belt drive- good (dare I say great?) sound quality- Auto shut off would be very nice

I don't want bells and whistles like built-in phono stage and USB nonsense. Simple is good.

I have considered buying used (Thorens, Dual) and haven't necessarily ruled it out, but I don't want a project, and I darn sure don't want to inherit someone else's problems. Warranties are kind of awesome.
The rest of my system is...
Schitt Mani, Jolida JD1501BRC, Wharfedale Diamond 10.7, Audioquest, BlueJeans, and Morrow cabling.
Mid-fi, I suppose, but I think it sounds great for the price, and I have no immediate plans to change any of that.
I listen to everything from classical to hard rock to jazz to ambient drone.
So far I have looked at Music Hall, Fluance, Denon, Rega, Pro-Ject, but all are compromised in some way.
Are there any others I should be factoring in to the equation?Or any I should steer clear of?
Thanks for any advice and cheers!

earworm22

Showing 8 responses by elliottbnewcombjr

something 'better', or 'nicer', not too much money, hard but possible.

features:

detatchable headshell, yes

direct drive: yes.

dead accurate speed control. many have pitch control, but that is a feature, for intentional speed change. I have never needed to 'fix' the speed/pitch of any direct drive tt I have owned.
belt drive, no, especially if sensitive to pitch.

auto lift: no.

that feature adds an unwanted mechanism to the arm, It also limits your choices a great deal. I advise against it.

there are separate after market auto-lift devices, if you can get one to work I think it is a great idea,

however, if the arm is close to the platter, or if the arm has a large base, typically sloped, then there is no flat place to put it.

here's the budget model auto lifter I bought. It may not fit on my new to me tt that is coming next week.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B008OAMD26?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_dt_b_product_details

this one is nicer, may fit where the other one doesn't

https://www.amazon.com/Audio-Technica-AT6006R-Safety-Raiser/dp/B07HKX6WL7/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=tonearm+lifter&qid=1578922193&s=electronics&sr=1-2

my plastic tt is this one. I have had 'better' but this tt is hard to beat within your budget. I would use it as a base for comparison when shopping.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07N3S4X3P?ref=dacx_dp_9501550660801_5391562380701&me=ATVPDKIKX0DER&aaxitk=HZng2H0rXknipWOBtwiJMQ


they, and others, have more expensive plastic 'dj' versions. 
 
https://www.amazon.com/Audio-Technica-AT-LP140XP-SV-Direct-Drive-Professional-Turntable/dp/B07N3VYTSF/ref=sr_1_44_sspa?keywords=turntable&qid=1578921671&sr=8-44-spons&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEzUFJVSEZNSlpKUVhXJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwOTQxMzg2N0lHN1FBMElNOElCJmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTA4OTkzNzAxWEZOQjNJNjg5WTNJJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfbXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ&th=1

for home use, I don't think the heavy duty motor's start/stop feature needed in a dj tt is needed, thus the extra money of a Technics 1200 is wasted at home.
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nicer

Part of the goal is wood, not plastic, a different look. Hard to do in your budget unless buying used.

Part of you want's a warranty. Hard to do in your budget. Conflicts with used.

My recent project buying used tt and used tonearms (2) has led to problems, many would be upset, I just patiently deal with it.

If you are buying used, I strongly advise finding something local, craigs list, facebook marketplace, local ebay, local pick up, see it work, 30 day handshake with seller.

Patience, actively look until you get lucky locally.




Internal Preamp of some modern tt.

I had highly respected McIntosh C28 Solid State Preamp. I preferred the optional phono eq built into my plastic tt.

Sold the SS C28, bought a used McIntosh Tube Preamp. Same tt, I prefer the McIntosh Tube Phono EQ.

USB. I don't use it, but it is not nonsense, many want/use this feature, especially within your price range.
OP,

primary to any tt success is acquired skills in all aspects of cartridge alignment and the matching of downward and anti-skate forces.

how are your skills? 
I simply will not have an arm without a removable headshell.

I was at my friends house last night. To specifically listen to some 'new to us' Jazz records. He didn't even realize they were mono.

I had packed the headshell with my new Grado ME+ Mono cartridge, and my digital stylus gauge, expecting to let him hear the difference.

He had a Grace Arm, integral/non removable headshell.

No way can he change headshells, You would need to pull the tiny wires off the cartridge pins, unscrew the cartridge, install and

completely align a different cartridge, EVERYTHING. How many times do you want to mess with those tiny wires?
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That TT is fixed headshell, and belt drive. I won't do belt drive, and you mentioned specific sensitivity to small speed variances.
It may be a great deal, looks to be a carbon arm, .... but, I bet you will regret compromising on those 2 features.


going back to your request for auto stop.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Yamaha-YP-D71-Direct-Drive-Auto-Stop-Quartz-Locked-Turntable-1979/163631447975?hash=item261931bfa7%3Ag%3A9xUAAOSwRY1d8XIb&LH_BIN=1&LH_RPA=1

I don’t know anything about it, but I would expect you could clean that arm up, and it uses hanging weight anti-skate which I like.

$700. over your original, may accept offer.
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have you increased your budget, or sticking with $500.00 ?
your features, your budget, accepts returns, 100% rating, ebay/paypal/credit card protection,

this one looks darn good, except it is belt drive

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Marantz-6100-Turntable-In-Excellent-Condition/303443149941?hash=item46a69f0475:g:4HkAAOSwy9ZeG5mA

I am not familiar with them however they have similar direct drive units,

If not finding something ideal right now, I might get this, enjoy it while searching for the next one, direct drive ... whatever ..... find great deal on the next one, this should be fairly easy to sell.