Would you even consider?


Would you consider the purchase of a now defunct name brand piece of equipment 7 or more years old available at multiple times the suggested retail price and is no longer supported by the out of business manufacturer?
Case in point Oppo, a well known and exellent product. It seems that quite a few are showing up for sale at price points way above the original selling price.
Why would anyone buy a product that is used, old, not supported and way overpriced?
Answer me this?
gillatgh
Hey,
That's a tough one. The main reason are the built in 5.1 processing. It means you can do all sorts of interesting things with it. Also, there were crazy mods that eliminated the built -in multi-channel DAC's and added a coaxial digital out for each pair of channels, allowing you to run any DAC you wanted, if you had 4 of them.

I am getting out of that space, but just sold a 7.1 preamp, the Halo P7 to a user exactly like that.
No.  I have owned a few Oppos and still have a 105D and 203.  I bought the last 203 of a dealer's stock (his demo unit) at about list price, when it normally would have been discounted, but I'm seeing the same unit listed for $1000 or more now. 

That's ridiculous and it looks like other companies have stepped into that space. 

What I liked about the older Oppo's (9X and 105X) was their streaming capabilities.  When I bought the 203 I had to get a Bluesound Node 2 and a Roku to replace what I lost moving "up" to the 203.  Both have a lot more streaming options than the Oppo did and in the case of the Bluesound the sound quality is as good if not better when connected to an external DAC.
Oppo does have a cult following. They are excellent products, even though some are getting long in the tooth. Agreed, prices have gone nuts
They do still support there products https://www.oppodigital.com/Support.aspx
I would not pay more for something like the Oppo when there are now better options for less money. Frankly any disc spinner is going to eventually fail if its already 7 years old then depending on the use its already old. Yes they did lots of great stuff but like one poster already mentioned its not hard to better it for less money.

Sony still makes a very good multi disc spinner it doesn’t have a DAC in it though. It outputs digital and HDMI only mine was $299 (well built too) add a great DAC maybe a Bluesound node 2 (for streaming) and your done with digital.
Check out the Pioneer LX-500, competitive at the price vs. those Oppos.
Very interesting responses. I agree with the majority of replies. It's difficult to justify the exorbitant price on a used defunct product. Only the buyer can determine the worth. For myself I will pass on such a risk. The void left by Oppo is already being filled at much more reasonable prices.
gillatgh:
"Why would anyone buy a product that is used, old, not supported and way overpriced?"

Hello gillatgh,
    Short answer is because they were all excellent players at bargain low prices when they came out and they're still excellent players, and still good values, even at the higher prices.
    I also believe Oppo announced their exit from the market on 4/02/1918, not 7 or more years ago, and Oppo has stated that all products are going to continue to be supported until at least 2021. 
     The company began in 2004 with introduction of DVD players and their first Blu-ray model was the BDP-83 universal disc player in 2009. Subsequent Blu-ray models were the bdp-93, 95, 103 and 105. The last Blu-ray models produced, and the first 4K models produced, were the BDP-203 released in 2016 and the BDP- 205 released in 2017.
     I bought my Oppo-105 new in 2016 for $1,200.  After inserting it into my combo 2-ch music and HT system and discovering its excellent audio and video performance, I determined my music sounded just as good without my 2-ch VTL 2.5L preamp with NOS Mullard tubes and the 5.1 surround sound sounded better without using my Parasound AVC-2500 5.1 surround preamp/processor so I removed them both and sold them for more than the price of the Oppo-105.  I currently use the Oppo as a high quality preamp for 2-ch music, a Blu-ray/DVD/DVD-A/CD and SACD player, hi-res DAC for up to 24bit/192KHz  music files, a 5.1 surround sound preamp/processor, 1080p video processor and a wi-fi connected video/audio streamer.  
      So, to answer your question of "would you consider the purchase of a now defunct name brand piece of equipment 7 or more years old available at multiple times the suggested retail price and is no longer supported by the out of business manufacturer?"  An Oppo player that was 7 or more years old would mean buying their original Blu-ray model, the BDP-83 released in 2009,  or the 2nd crop, the BDP-93 and BDP-95 released in 2012.  The problem with your question is that none of these "7 or more years old" Oppo used players currently for sale are asking "multiple times the retail price", I couldn't even find an online ad for one equal to the original retail price. 
     You, therefore, must be referring to the latest Oppo BDP-203 and 205 models that are 2-3 years old, not 7 years.  If you correct the multiple errors in your question to a valid one of:
 Would you consider the purchase of a now defunct name brand piece of equipment 2-3 years old available at up to 2.5 times the original suggested retail price but is still supported by the out of business manufacturer until at least 2021? 
     My answer for a BDP-205 would be yes, I would consider the purchase, because of its excellent audio and video performance quality, reliability, flexibility and its 4K capacity.  However, I'd also consider purchasing one of the several similar 4K players that will almost certainly be released soon by other manufacturers (Pioneer, Panasonic and others?) in an effort to fill the void of an audiophile version of a 4K Blu-ray universal disc player.

Tim
Yes, absolutely, I would purchase 75 year old gear, no longer supported by the, now defunct, manufacturer, and selling for multiples of the original retail prices. Western Electric and Brook come to mind. But disc players, never, YMMV.
Sometimes renewed models are sold at a very good price and works well.
A faulty item often has one detail that needs to be changed and then it functions well
No, I would not.  Given how quickly processors and AVRs become obsolete as standards change, and the beating that I have taken in the past for this, I would only buy old HT gear at rock bottom prices.  2 channel is a different story 
@noble100 , your post is appreciated although erroneous in some istances. There are quite a few 105, 103 players out there for sale with manufacturing dates back to 2012. Yes I agree that they were an excellent product and am sorry to seen them go. I personally own a 103 manufactured in 2017 I purchased for a measly 399.99 but as with all equipment sooner or later it will go south. Life expectancy could be measured by the amount of useage. I know of one unit in particula, a 93, that was used extensively and did not see a 5th anniversary. Support thru 2021 is a very short 2 years and thats, I’m sure, only for units within the warranty period. Regardless of their reputation a purchase of Oppo at these inflated prices is a risky and ill advised proposition IMO.
In all I appreciate all the thought in this thead.
gillatgh:
" There are quite a few 105, 103 players out there for sale with manufacturing dates back to 2012. "

Hello gillatgh,
      Yes, I made a mistake. Both the Oppo BDP-103 and BDP-105 were released toward the end of 2012, which makes the oldest units about 7 years old right now.  
     But this updated release date info doesn't invalidate anything I stated in my initial thread post. The inflated asking prices, of multiple times the original retail price, still only apply to the final Oppo players released, the 4K BDP-203 released in 2016 and the 4K BDP-205 released in 2017.  I couldn't find any 103 or 105 players with inflated asking prices.

Tim       
@noble100 , Tim you're not looking hard. I started this thread because while browsing a number of selling sites and in most cases Oppo unit prices were exhorbitant. Even older 103s are out there for in excess of 1.5 times the retail price as are 105s. Not to speak of the 203 and 205 models which are outrageous.  Some actually look abused on closer inspection. 
The intent of the thread is not to discourage, just my own curiosity as to reasons why anyone would pay above new retail for a used piece without knowing it's history or useage. Doesn't seem logical. 
Audio equipment does not usually increase in value as it ages like some automobiles.
Technology advances never retreats.
gillatgh,

    I have my awesome 105 and haven't been looking at too many for sale.  I know I wouldn't sell mine until there's a reasonably priced substitute for the 4K 205 available.  I've heard rumors that Panasonic and Pioneer are coming out with new 4K universal disc player models with high quality audio and video.
   The 105's only 1080p which is fine for now since I'm still using the 65" Panasonic VT60 1080p plasma hdtv I bought in their last production year in 2014.  My plasma's going strong but I know I'll need a new player if I buy the latest n greatest 65" plus hdtv in the not too distant future.

Later,
Tim
Apparently people do....I sold a two year old Oppo Sonica Dac for almost what I paid new. I probably could have sold for more than I paid. There was great interest in the piece.
I was checking out Ebay and could not believe the selling prices of the Oppo UDP-203/205.  I purchased the Pioneer Elite UDP-LX500.  I could not justify spending that much more than retail for an Oppo. I do wish the Pioneer Elite had an HDMI input and supported multi-channel SACD, but I love the player.
I don't think the Pioneer has 4K capability.

ozzy

My Parasound New Classic 7000 processor blew up, so I tried the Oppo 103D as a processor, the sound was better in all ways through the Oppo.

No one has or I think will, build a multi-player that can function as a processor, so I bought another 103D for $600CDN. Because electronics break, and hopefully this set up will last me until they figure out HDMI into the brain.

So yeah, depending on the device, I would certainly do it again