Good evening Glupson…. :) |
It is difficult to makes a simplest and more accurate reflexion about reviews... :)
My best to you mijostyn….
It is the reason I prefer accidental reviewers and not professional one, or wanted to be pro reviewer … :)
" I wrote a review of my wife yesterday and i sell it today..." Groucho Marx
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Well, besides negating my posts I have no idea what that means. It is your first post about me that is relatively sound and dont only deform my intention but I never intend to negating your posts but only raising a point for discussion ... Thanks... I will apologize for not being clear for you....But I think that I was clear, my bad if not...If my post were unclear, instead of attacking the messenger you would have asked a question or two... I will not go on because if you dont understand my point or dont want, by lack of any clarity or by bad faith, anyway i cannot reexplain all that better without annoying everyone... Have a good evening...And forget me... Like you dare to ask for me, I will not ask " who are you?" "Hey! it was not a dude, it was the pope" Groucho Marx |
I argue about an audio subject not about some person... You just made a citation where I express something that cannot be understood out of the context of my complete post... The only reason for your reaction instead of discussing my point is out of my knowledge ...Sorry to bother you, the point was only discussing... By the way what do you think of my point? And now this: What exactly is the reason you are here then, @mahgister? What is it you are here to talk about and share? Intimidation and insinuation are not discussion...And what I had to say was already exposed in the few posts here... |
I only expose rationally my own experiences... I apologize but I dont know you and I really only enthusiastically speak my mind...This is called discussion... My intention was never to write what you just write on my behalf: Erik is wrong, and only I know what is right. Writing X is wrong, had no sense at all, nobody can be wrong on all counts, nor right on all counts....Neither you nor me... If I must be corrected on the point I just write about go for it, I will listen to you with pleasure... My best... |
A lot of what interests me is how we perceive and why. Like whether you like cilantro or not, or IPAs. My personal love of both has no bearing on the truth of beer tasting, but I find it fascinating some taste cilantro like soap, or conversely, that there are audio brands which to me taste like soap, and to others delicious salsa. Is it learned? Is it in the ear? Fun stuff. Audio experiences reflect tastes in the choices of some components like any experience we immerse voluntarily ourselves...And we can think about why and how...But this is psychology... The truth is audio experience ultimately is not "founded" on tastes at all... "Tasting" a particular audio system is an anecdotal event... Creating a top Hi-Fi audio system has nothing at all to do with tastes first...It is not even only engineering... :) Science will gives you the directions, your ears will correlate all different materials and apparatus, and the different controlled grids in an optimal design particular to your own house, room and gear... "Even ears works hard before tasting" Groucho Marx |
I dont gives a dam about the speakers I listen to, nor the dac, nor the amplifier. Understand me, I love them now and I had chosen them with care...
But an Hi-Fi real experience is more directly linked to the 3 embeddings of any audio systems which i already spoken about earlier...Way more than the taste and appetite we had for a MacIntosh amplifier or from a Sansui...
Most reviews only confirm et reinitiates this error at perpetuum...
I love the Sansui club, I own one Sansui.... But audio experience has almost nothing to do with the choice of a piece of gear "per se"...I want to express that a bit radically and see if people react with understanding to my rant... :)
Those who did not owns an audio system radiating sound qualities at his peak potential level, be it at any price level, who then may not understand why my rant and what I speak about, probably and simply own system where only an upgrade of some electronic component has made a big difference for them in the past and stick to the illusion that the price paid for a costly electronic component mainly gives audiophile experience at peak level ...
My experience is contrary: my good actual audio system sounded like "shit" out of the box, after I afford to buy it, but understand me is theorically by all reviews very good...
But the reality is that i discovered how good it can be only after devising methods and tweaks of my owns to controls the triple embeddings of it: mechanical, acoustical, electrical...
I will simplify that post in a drawing:
Before tweaks: my system is shit...….After tweaks: the same system made me flow tears of joy....
Conclusion for beginners:
Dont buy anything else if you already own something already relatively good, think first and look for the way, not to improve it, more to transform it completely...Read reviews for entertainment ...
"Music comes from the walls " Groucho Marx
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"Reviewer looks between the notes, I only look for music" -Groucho Marx
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For reviewers my vote go to Hart, Schaffer & Marx, forget Groucho... :)
For the reason just evoked on the preceding post, I prefer reading reviews by normal people most of the times, if not pro, the pleasure and originality compare to professional is an advantage point I value … My best...
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" Sound has nothing to do with music" - Groucho Marx speaking of Beethoven
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I cannot resist reading reviews, even bad one...But it was very misleading for me 7 years ago, at the beginning of my conscious audio journey, instilling in me the false impression that upgrading an electronic components was the key to Hi-Fi, and it is absolutely false...
Alas! Most people think like me 7 years ago...
But I loved reading reviews this is a point I cannot negate...
" I like cheating and reviews" - Groucho Marx
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It seems my fate is to rewrite you, and dont know which one of you or me, feel the better! :)
My best...
"The best is the worst in reverse order or vice versa" - Groucho Marx
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I will precise rewiews are not a waste, I like them, but they are less useful than misleading overall... Useful for fun reading and technicalities generally not a good understanding of audio experience for the beginners that I was 7 years ago....
Cheers glupson...
"Son, one fish takes the other fish in one gulp, always watch the bowl "- Groucho Marx
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Perhaps there is unknown superior products, i know some...
But in general there is 3 levels of price/ S.Q., low, mid, high, and on each rung of this scale, almost all products are equal, if someone is taking the real path to increase the audio experience and this path is absolutely not buying an electronic component upgrade...
This real path ask to turn to the triple embeddings problems, because mechanical vibrations-resonances, bad acoustical room, and the high level of the electrical noise of the house, obstruct the potential of the electronic components at any price and impede the higher audiophile experience... Then never mind the superior products, pay attention to the embeddings... :)
"The sound is good enough for my room"- Groucho Marx audiophile
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So few understand level matching or have the needed tools to do so cuts the reviewer pile by 99% If it was only level matching electronic components, this will be simple...A question of measured numbers... But the 3 embeddings i think about are best measured by our ears...No apparatus measured the 3 simultaneously.... |
I dont forget the ears but you are right all ears are sure different...
But gives me your ears and I will put delight in them like I put in mine, tastes difference apart, because the 3 way an audio system is embedded has way more impact than the variations between relatively normal healthy ears...
Understand me, ears of one are very different than ears of another, but if the 2 sits in a treated controlled environment with a rightly embedded good audio system, the 2 ears will meet together in a different critical appraisal but nevertheless a good one... :)
It is just that I know by experience that most people totally underestimated the 3 embeddings impactful power...This is the general trend in audio, even if tweaks has a small niche....And remember that NO TWEAKS address the 3 embeddings together...They are tweaks more potent than others I know some, but not one solve the equation by only itself... Thinking that way only reveal a misunderstanding of the relation between acoustical, mechanical, electrical embeddings and their very different impacts on the sound qualities...
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In my experience reviews has no meaning whatsoever, except if you are interested in some reviewer journey, or about some new device technicalities or simply to hear the wind...
But reviews has no audio real meaning, except a very general one, because the synergy of different electronic audio components plays a great role in their sound output; but this is not even the main reason... :)
The main reason is the same audio system will sound totally different, relatively to the 3 embeddings were it will be immerse : mechanical(vibrations-resonance), acoustical (room treatment+acoustical tweaks) electrical (house and room noise floor).
Then the reason for reviews are many: literary, technical vulgarisation, subjective taste, trends participation, etc. But in general they are sponsored directly or indirectly, and willing or not, suggest unbeknownst to the reviewer or readers, the idea (erroneous) that upgrading an electronic components(speakers, dac. amplifier) is the main and most desirable method to increase the sound quality... This is absolutely false and I explain already that in another thread....
All this thing said, I enjoy reading reviews and reviewers, but paying directly them, no thanks.... :)
One exception:
I will accept all donations of those who want to contribute to my review of some ZOTL Berning amplifier...Minimum gift is 2 dollars...I will be totally partial because I want to buy one, one day...After reading a review, I was convinced... Now you know that reviews can be efficient and dangerous even on conscious spirit.... :)
"Reviews are better than books, except for the bible." - Groucho Marx
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