I was just listening to machine head. It ain't bad at all. Bat out of hell is two dimensional and lacking dynamics but ok otherwise.
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Led Zeppelin LPs are of a poor sound quality -- agree, but they're just average on performances i.e. almost solid C except probably few songs out of all. The fact of gazillion records sold and popularity unfortunately does not bite me as I only value music and musicians which is only partially there.
iggy's raw power (david bowie) is a famously botched production, as is marshall crenshaw's field day (steve lillywhite). i'd throw in sst-era husker du (really great songs terribly recorded); i've also been surprised at how bad-sounding some of the smiths records were. not to be unduly controversial, but nevermind never sounded quite right to me, either--its super-clean, polished sheen saps the oomph you feel on in utero.
not to start flames spewing but i have copies of many of the records mentioned here that sound fantastic. born to run, any record by yes, any record by zep, Derek and the Dominos, who's next, Kinks Muswell hillbillies... my copies come form Tom Port of Better Records and they cost a bloody fortune. each pressing or copy of a vinyl record can sound very different. Tom and his crew assemble many copies, often 30, 40, or more and shoot them out. he sometimes packages two records, one for side on and one for side two. Many people on Audiogon trash him without ever trying his stuff. i have collected his goods for 15 years and place a higher value on those pressings than my very expensive equipment. i have bought multiple copies (5 or 6 or more) of a record and done my own shoot outs when Tom does not pursue a certain artist or record and have had some luck with finding a good copy but i do not start with a big enough pool, so i find myself giving Tom my credit card number all too often.
good thread--interesting and controversial responses. katy lied had a whole checkered history--apparently the original mix was botched due to dbx and had to be remastered--there's an interesting article about it here: http://www.steelydan.com/dennys3.html. i still think it sounds pretty good, though flatter and not as expansive as their other stuff.
gotta disagree with zep and derek and the dominos--love 'em.
All the comments about Katy Lied are interesting. I forgot about this one. If any LP can make your speakers sound like they are covered by a blanket, this one can.
I have three copies, original, MoFi and a recently acquired new sealed one and all three are unlistenable. Yet, listen to tracks from this album on Steely Dans/Greatest Hits mastered by Robert Ludwig, and the difference is night and day. Especially Doctor Wu, one of my favorite Steely Dan tunes. Thank God for this Greatest Hits compilation. And Robert Ludwig too!
Don't get your hopes up on Katy Lied, Ghosthouse. I have a re-issue vinyl copy and the 1999 CD, MCAD-11916 copyright 1999, bar code 08811 19162. Don't know if the CD is remastered; there is nothing in the jacket info about that. Regardless, the CD does not sound as good as the vinyl when I use my PL-15D II / 2M Red rig. I consider the vinyl unplayable on my Sota / Graham / XX2 MKII rig. Good luck and happy listening anyway!
I respectfully disagree on the Cheap Trick Live at Budhokan--I find their studio albums to be really flat and Budhokan finally has some life to it. Great record! Agree with Katy Lied. Derek and the Dominoes is great but just kind of muffled. Bop to You Drop (the first digital R&R record!)is okay and Ry is always great.
Phasecorrect, are you referencing "Aqualung" by Jethro Tull? If so, I strongly disagree! I believe there is a group called Aqualung, so maybe you mean them. JT's "Aqualung" is just an outstanding album in every way-including production. I have many versions and prefer the original UK vinyl and the 40th Anniversary Edition CD. I don't know what you are hearing but I consider the recording quality on my two versions above just outstanding. Don't take it personally.
I do agree with Mattmiller that the Led Zepplin recordings are pretty uniformly awful. Fortunately, the songs on several of the albums are so memorable that you can forgive the poor quality recording. Also, for the record I love ALL the Steely Dan records...especially Katy Lied.
Great to see the distinction made between the sound and the music; and, the idea that an album can be great even if it suffers from questionable sound. Questionable because I think it's important to remember (in keeping with the above comment) that in some cases the sound is a deliberate choice as an expression of the artist's aesthetic; in general or for that particular record. Crappy sound by audiophile standards is not always a result of bad production and can in some cases be another dimension of the music; like it or not.