The measurements are meaningless unless everybody does 'em. What speakers are they?Usually they are meaningless to those that can't comprehend them, and they serve to tell one what amp/s would go well with them as well.
Cheers George
Why wont speaker companies publish their measurements?
It's not ok to assess the quality of a speaker just by listening to it. Most listeners are not trained. They dont have the skills or knowledge of an expert like me to know what the hell they are listening for. There are too many other variables that affect the sound quality such as room acoustics, source material, amp quality, hearing loss, preference etc. For all these reasons, we MUST rely on speaker measurements ALONE when deciding how good a speaker is.
The problem is however that the wretched speaker companies WONT DO IT! They just will not publish their measurements.
Are they embarrassed? Are they hiding it? Do they even have the measurements? Worried they wont match if somebody else does the measurements?
Speaker companies cannot claim that their speaker is superior to a competitors speaker since neither of them will publish their measurements. As a result the claims are uncorroborated HOGWASH. Despite this, there is intense competition among the speaker companies. There is a WAR going on out there and its a war that cannot be won!
The only way to separate the wheat from the chaff is to examine the measurements. Until that happens nobody has the right to claim that one speaker is better than another. Nobody knows which speakers are better than others. Until the day comes when they will publish the data, its all just hearsay and opinions.
If you want to be a first rate audiophile, do not settle for anything less than the TRUTH. We deserve it.
The problem is however that the wretched speaker companies WONT DO IT! They just will not publish their measurements.
Are they embarrassed? Are they hiding it? Do they even have the measurements? Worried they wont match if somebody else does the measurements?
Speaker companies cannot claim that their speaker is superior to a competitors speaker since neither of them will publish their measurements. As a result the claims are uncorroborated HOGWASH. Despite this, there is intense competition among the speaker companies. There is a WAR going on out there and its a war that cannot be won!
The only way to separate the wheat from the chaff is to examine the measurements. Until that happens nobody has the right to claim that one speaker is better than another. Nobody knows which speakers are better than others. Until the day comes when they will publish the data, its all just hearsay and opinions.
If you want to be a first rate audiophile, do not settle for anything less than the TRUTH. We deserve it.
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how do we know youre not trolling djones51? where is the proof? You dont know what i have. Maybe i have a Magico in my house? you know nothing. DSP is not used by 99% of high end speakers. The genelecs are bad speakers. Very bad. I have heard them. Nobody on here shares your enthusiasm for them. They are never mentioned on here. They are studio speakers. Everybody knows studio speakers sound bad. Ever heard a yamaha ns10? They are shockingly BAD |
This hyena has started more threads - only to end up deleted - than any member I can remember in twenty years of being here. LOLYou can delete the threads all you want but the TRUTH will remain. I have already told Audiogon that it will only harm their reputation if people find out that they delete posts which Audiogon find inconvenient. |
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AudiogoN is not worried about what your opinion is when it comes to forum guidelines.what guidelines? there are no guidelines. Even if there were, they dont stick to it. WHAT SPEAKERS DO YOU OWN?I have a few different ones. They are custom tuned. I dont have a permanent set of speakers because the pursuit of perfection is a lifelong quest. Nothing is ever good enough for me. So things are always being modified. |
First, Kenjit, some of us believe in freedom. You want to remove freedom from the speaker manufacturers. Where else should we remove freedoms? It sounds like a dangerous argument in a time when the US Capitol was so recently stormed. Second, there are no standardized speaker measurements that exist. Those normally are established by some sort of industry consortium. Heck, we just recently changed official measurements for length and time. Finding a set of measurements that all would agree to as relevant would not be easy. Anechoic measurements? Do you listen in an anechoic room? I don’t and would not choose to, even though such rooms are useful for modeling. They feel absolutely oppressive and lifeless to be in. Should we use test tones? They are not always reflective of music. And using which testing equipment. Lots of variation there. Often times, one has to figure out if problems that appear are engineering problems, or problems inherent in the test parameters themselves. What level of barometric pressure and room temperature should be chosen, as they impact speed and sound propagation? Should we use a specific piece of music, or some from each genre? Using what source or playback equipment? How will we insure playback equipment is all operating at similar parameters in different testing centers? How much will testing cost? Who absorbs the costs? Will this disadvantage small producers, reducing market competition and thus harming consumers? Will it increase cost of a product in which no one’s life is endangered (as opposed to cars or medicines)? Haven’t you repeatedly railed against what you see as inflated speaker cost? i could do this all day long. And why on earth should the enjoyment of a subjective aesthetic experience be subjected to your notion of what the good is, Kenjit? There are about 20,000 things wrong with your post. |
" Go to Magicos website and show me where the measurements are."That wasn't me, but I went and looked all over the Magico website and couldn't find measurements. Are they hidden in a non-obvious place? |
And here's another perspective, from one of the few mags that still measures: https://www.stereophile.com/content/how-does-music-make-you-feel |
Kenjit, you are so narrow minded. You seem to look at a few commercially available speakers, most likely via magazines or internet. You cannot get the whole speaker specification from that. My speakers have a page and a half of specifications, and also the availability of any of the engineers/ designers. My other set were installed by the actual designer/ builder from the US. I had a week to go over the specifications as he “tuned” the speakers to the HiFi equipment and room. He flew to Brisbane, AUS. Kenjit, it’s obvious that you have a limited appreciation of what speaker specifications you need. Live with an associated engineer for a week and learn what it’s all about. 🇦🇺 |
Of course manufacturers have the equipment and measure their speakers, in many cases exhaustively, in the privacy of their own premises. But If manufacturers published measurements you can bet they will be falsified or taken under optimum or artificial conditions. So there would no, indeed negative, purpose to it. Almost every speaker company publishes sensitivity figures and almost all exaggerate, some by up to 5dB. Most companies are dishonest these days. Think Volkswagen pollution, all car companies miles per gallon tests, the banks and insurance companies, inflammable building cladding in the UK, etc etc. Best just to let John Atkinson do it. And I doubt the equipment he uses costs more than $1,000 or so. Including the 'cheap plastic tape accelerometer' that reveals cabinet resonances. |
New on forums, but not new to reading some of OP’s posts and not new to dealing with terminal narcissism. Note to all responders to OP: Narcissists care not if attention is negative or positive as long as they get attention. I am only posting for the responders lest you think I’ve fallen for the OP’s troll centric ploy. |
