Why will no other turntable beat the EMT 927?

The statement '' ...no other TT will...'' is obviously provocative

but make no logical sense. ''no other'' is equivalent to ''all''.

If the ''all quantor'' is used without restriction we get ''set theoretic

paradoxes'' . Besides how is it possible to judge any TT made in

the future? The unknow TT's are impossible to compare with the

existing kinds. What Thuchan should state is: ''there is no other

TT in my experience which is equal to my EMT''. But this is a

totaly different stetement.

Dear Cleeds, To add to your logical argument . If the premiss

is not true than any deduction from such premiss can't  be true.

Dear Terry 9, The logic can't say which statements are true or

false. The logic state that contradictory statemens can't be both

true and also that correct deduction can warant the truth if the

premise from which de deductions are made is  also true.

Your ''any statemets '' is as problematic as the quantor ''all'' without

any specification or limitation. BTW quantors are not names and

 have no reference .  Consider the statement ''someone has

stolen my car''. The clairvoyant person who knows whom this

''someone'' is will become rich in one week time. The insurance

companies will offer to him whatever he pleases.

Now regarding ''all turntables''. Both Thuchan and Dertonarm

are my friends. However Thuchan is rich and Dertonarm is not.

The coincidence is that Dertonarm just produced his APOLYT

TT. Impressive regarding its technical merits but also qua price.

Who would buy the APOLYT from my beloved Dertonarm if

this EMT is for, say, $10000 to get and  a priori the best?

So I expect an folow up from Thuchan with the title '' Why

wiil no other TT beat APOLYT?"

Sorry terry 9 but I need to add the following. The so called ''universal

quantifier'' (all, some, etc.) imply many variables. We are not able to handle ''to many variables''. But  there are also numerical quantifiers. Say there are exactly 3 or 4 conditions  which object A needs to satisfy in order to be used for F. I think that we use numerical quantifiers (variables)  in our discussion without being aware of this.

I never come across of more as 5 of such conditions in any thread.

Dear terry 9, The logical rules about contadiction as well

about the relation between premiss and deduced statements apply

for any logic . This imply the qantifiction logic , the predicate logic and propositional logic.  BTW Tarski's ''truth by satisfaction'' is obviously based on quantification. I think that  all human investigations are based on this principle. Say which conditions

need to be satisfy for the food we use (there are still people who

die from the wrong chosen mushroom), legal rules which need to be satsfy in order to claim some rights, etc.,etc. This also apply for our hobby because our questions are about ''which component will satisfy the conditions which individual person ask for''.

Dear tuchan, As Aristoteles stated: ''amicus Plato sed magis amica

veritas''. Whatever number of TT's you compared with each other

this number can be expressed as a numerical quantifier. Say 12 TT's. But you generalized your experince by induction by stating that

''no other TT can beat the EMT 927''. This make no logical sense

as I try to explain with the distinction between ''universal'' and ''numerical quantifiers''.

We all know that there are more TT's in our universe than 12 and also assume that you deed not compare them all with each other.
I was probable wrong with my $10000 price for your beloved EMT 927 but this was meant to be as provocative as your ''general statement'' about ''all TT's''.

Dear Thuchan,  American philosopher Nelson Goodman caused

much disturbance by questioning ''law like'' character of some

predicates. Say ''all emeralds are green''. Law like means that all

instances observed till T1 were green obviously confirming the

''green property'' of emeralds. But what about all emeralds being

green at T1 and then observed at T2 to be ''blue''? We are used to

use the Greek (metalic) way of describing people. Say ''Henry is honest like gold'' and Peter ''strong like iron''. But when Henry robbed a bank and seduced the wife of his friend we feel somehow ashemed and state: ''Who would believe   such a thing about Henry? This imply ''nobody would believe such a thing and that is why I also made this mistake''.

If I understand your argument well you meant all TT's at time T1

 but deed not meant TT's there after ? This would imply that

qualification  ''the best'' does apply for the time T1 but not thereafter.

Dear Thuchan, My reason is very simple. I like Dertonarm very

much and want his Apolyt to be the best TT at present (aka at T 2).

My reasons are subjective but the logic  and arguments I used are not.

Dear pryso, Wanting and knowing are  two different categories.

My sense for humour is obviusly different from yours.

Dear Thuchan, I am sure that I can't afford one (aka Apolyt) but

I am not sure about you. But what I am sure about is that we both

would like our friend Dertonarm to succeed.

Dear Thuchan, I own two TT's: Kuzma Stabi Reference and SP-10,

mk 2 . I am not able to hear any difference between them. I also

think that nobody can hear any difference between my SP-10

and any other TT irrespective of the price. I am willing to bet for

$1000 with whom ever about my statement. ''Blind test'' of course

assumed.

Hi Pryso, Thanks to Raul and his ''MM thread'' I accumulated so

many carts that swiching them in my Kuzma/Triplanar combo become

a very frustrating activity. ' Some ' Aussie advised to

use my FR-64 with removable headshell instead. But the price of

a new Kuzma (arm) base was nearly as expensive as an SP-10

so I bought this TT instead. I hardly use my Kuzma since (grin).

Dear Thuchan, I needed some time to answer to your assumption.

I was not able to find any other way out than to confess. As a

analogue freak I have this (serious) ''deviation''. I don't care about

TT's. That is why I , in contradistiction to , say, Lewm,  own just two

of those. I am  more ''in love''  with carts and tonearms and own

a pretty nice collections of both.

Dear Thuchan , I called my attitude about TT's an ''deviation'' and

not ''extravagance''. From your comment I need to deduce that my

Kuzma Stabi Reference and my SP 10,mk 2 are ''mediocre'' TT's.

Well as I stated in the ''other thread'' I have no intention nor the

means to compite with you or Raul.

There is no way to understand our hobby without understanding

what passion means. Here we have a case in which both our

''brothers'' share the analog passion in general and passion for

TT's in particular. The difference is that Thuchan deceded which

of them he loves the most while Lew is not able to decide (yet).

Yes dear Lew, ''All'' those languges have equivalent methaphors

but in translation they all mean the same: ''pulling (Thuchan's) or

someone else leg (grin).

The real life is such that the most people prefer myths. The old

Greek produced art from this fact (of life) and are still ''going

 strong'' as tradition .

Dear barbapapa, One of the problems is that the quantor ''many''

does not allow logical ,uh, interpretation. Then if ''time tells the truth''

where you want to put the ''old Greek'' on your  ''timeline"?

If we talk about ''belief'' then I assume that the people are free to

believe what they want to believe. However  there are ,uh, many

 scientist who, uh, believe that truth is not an psychological notion.

I assume that Thuchan owned or owns the must TT's among us.

The reason is simple; he can afford many.

So he can state : ''from all TT's which I owned the the best is

EMT 927''. However there is a diffrence between ''all turntables''

and ''turntables owned by Thuchan''. The so called ''set paradoxes''

occur when the set in casu is either to large or not well specify (grin).