RRHOF, is what. I don't get where they are going. It seems as they have an agenda that is different than what I would think. What did they say at Gene Simmons roast? That Danny Bonaduci was the only guy in the room that was in a decent band.
It cannot be explained, especially since Donna Summer and ABBA are in the Rock & Roll HOF. All it says to me is that just like the Academy Awards, the R&R HOF is a sham.
It's my opinion that the R&R Hall of Fame is a joke. I thought that rock 'n' roll was supposed to be about rejecting that sort of BS, being a little socially unacceptable. It may have started out that way but those days are long gone.
As for Stevie, he's way too good to be associated with that bunch of suckups.
Deep Purple, ELP and The Moody Blues also deserve induction!
The best explanation I have for the RRHOF is that Donald Trump made it into the WWE pro wrestling hall of fame before Bruno Sammartino. RRHOF is more like WWE HOF than actual legitimate ones.
He's only been eligible since 2009. Albert King only got in in 2013. Would you really enshrine SRV before Albert King got his due?
He's only been eligible since 2009. Albert King only got in in 2013. Would you really enshrine SRV before Albert King got his due?
No, but I would put SRV in the RRHOF before Donna Summers.
If you like him so much then why can't you spell his name correctly?
It's jealousy man. Like when Napoleon was king of the roman empire and everybody was trying to conquer him. History repeats itself.
Simple: The RRHOF is meaningless.
RRHOF is a bad joke, but if it weren't, there would be little reason to put SRV in...take the Hendrix out of SRV and there aint' much left. To put it mildly though there are many other genuinely absurd omissions.
You apparently don't recognize the many blues guitarists' influence on SRV's style--or his original ideas. He was so much more than a Hendrix clone or wannabe.
You should check out videos of such guitarists as B.B. King and Eric Clapton talking about Stevie's playing.
If the R&R HOF was in Texas, I'm sure SRV would be in it by now.
But its in Cleveland. Any R&R hall of FAmers from there?
At least the folks at R&R HOF do not appear to be homeboys. :-)
Why should SRV get in before Johnny Winters or Hubert Sumlin? Winters has had a more varied and interesting career (it helps to live longer) and Sumlin is by far the more influential guitarist.
Mapman don't go dissin' Cleveland.The only city I know of that had a river(The Cuyahoga) catch on fire.As far as local Hall of Famers Pere Ubu are certainly deserving,yet way to good to actually get inducted.Do I recall correctly that Eric Clapton refused to attend his own induction citing the fact that it was contrary to all that Rock stood for? Lwin let it go.Otherwise you may end up worrying about someone who isn't on Rolling Stone's 500 best guitarists list,or why Jethro Tull got that Heavy Metal Grammy and not Guns and Roses.Rolling Stone,The Grammy's and R&R Hall of Fame are all of approximate relevance.The one thing that really matters is the music and the listener who refuses to let it die.
+1 for Johnny Winter, the best thing to come out of Beaumont, TX since oil
His version of Rock and Roll Hoochie Koo is so very good, smokes the original IMO. My favorite track of his is a solo acoustic turn on a National steel-bodied guitar. The title is "Dallas" and it's just wonderful.
Not claiming that SRV is strictly a Hendrix clone, but people who say that he somehow went back and built on Albert King, Magic Sam, Gatemouth Brown and others, (magically eliminating his post Hendrix core) are delusional and completely lacking in critical thinking skills. SRV covered Hendrix tunes more than he covered any other artists tunes. He played a strat, (King's main axe was a flying V). SRV even dressed like Jimi. Fact is you take away what SRV copped from Hendrix and there isn't a whole lot left.
Don't go dissin' Rick Derringer. That original version of Hootchie Koo is IMHO perfect. I'm a semi-retirement project guitarist and that song is my absolute favorite vehicle for unaccompanied rhythm/coloration/lead - which is all I can do since it's unlikely that I'm going to front a band anytime soon.
Winters does an interesting take, but that slow tempo and fingerstyle take can't touch the pure rhythmic energy of the original. To each his own, I guess.
As to SRV, I get Duane's point, but kinda disagree. SRV may have covered a fair amount of Jimi , but his core repertoire was still quite different. If Jimi played that same brand of blues for a living, the criticism would be more appropriate, Even if a lot of the playing personality is derivative, the collective final recorded legacy "feels" (to me, anyway) quite different.
Why isn't SRV in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame?
Because he wasn't that good. Boring music. Terrible vocalist and a repetitive guitar lick repertoire ad nauseum. An average blueman at best...
take away what SRV copped from Hendrix and there isn't a whole lot left
Oy. I'm not saying SRV is better or worse, or more or less deserving than JH, but you need to listen more carefully to more of SRV's music, do some research on his life, and then do some critical thinking yourself before making a statement like that.
Watch the DVD SRV did with Albert King, "In Session". He is more than just a JH imitator.
I always think of SRV as a American rocker with large appeal to the US middle class at the time in particular, based solidly in the blues who also was a very good guitarist. I think I get the "Hendrix" influence as part of what I hear in regards to connecting the blues into rock music. I like SRV, but frankly I might like his brother Jimmy even more. He has produced a lot of great (and well recorded) new music even in more recent years.
My all time favorite white blues act is probably Savoy Brown and Kim Simmons. I almost always enjoy his stuff, and SB in one form or another around KS has been around a LONG time. Saw them live for the first time just about two years ago and it was awesome! Savoy Brown for the RRHOF!!!
For the record, the Chicago River caught fire during the Great Fire of 1871.
...caught him perform twice, owned most of his recorded output, saw the DVD w/ Albert King...it's quantifiable that SRV got way more from Jimi than he did from Albert. To his credit, Vaughan demonstrated that he could produce compelling results while operating almost exclusively in the Hendrix universe. Rockdanny on the other hand has demonstrated that there's a lot of real estate between what he knows and what he presumes to know.
Albert King was a major influence for both Jimi Hendrix and SRV. Hendrix and King were both left handed and played guitar with the strings upside down. Hendrix was primarily a Fender Strat player, but he also used a Gibson Flying V, the guitar that King used.
Average bluesman? The Austin City Limits Tribute to SRV included B.B. King, Eric Clapton, Buddy Guy, Robert Cray and Dr. John.
Tell me which other average bluesmen those guys have gathered together to pay homage to.
For the record, the Chicago River caught fire during the Great Fire of 1871.Thanks Tom I never knew that even though I am married to an O'Leary.
Rockdanny on the other hand has demonstrated that there's a lot of real estate between what he knows and what he presumes to know.
With regards to my assumptions about your exposure to SRV, this was true. Seems you've given him a fair chance and just don't perceive and/or value the things in him which others do. Such is the subjective taste in music.
Martyk1, my remarks did not diss Rick D's version. I simply said I thought Johnny's surpassed it by far. Just my opinion.
SRV was great, but Johnny Winter is king of blues guitar.
Just funnin wit ya. I play (variations on) the original every day, so I had to stand up for my man Rick D. I actually like the cover, but the original is a timeless player's song IMHO.
Do any of us really care about the RRHOF? I sure don't. I like what I like regardless of admission to the RRHOF as I'm sure most here do. I don't even know who's in or who's out. Don't pay any attention whatsoever. There are probably members who don't merit admission and others who should be in that will never be admitted. It's all sooooo subjective.
Hall's a joke, next to the biggest loser football stadium extant.
Every hall of fame in existence is a joke. That doesn't mean it wouldn't be fun to check it out if you were in the area. I've never been but heard from people who have that it's a lot better than they were expecting.
SRV will get in there no problem. I'm more worried about Pete Rose than SRV.
Casey33, I did a google search and it appears that the Chicago River used to catch fire regularly. From:
"When Lake Erie Â or more exactly the Cuyahoga River which flows into Lake Erie Â caught fire in 1969, it ignited a firestorm of public outrage over the indiscriminate dumping of sewage and industrial chemicals into the Great Lakes.
But the incident was not particularly unusual. Nor was it the most significant of a long history of fires fueled by the thick oily sludges that fouled the Lakes and their arteries. The Chicago and Buffalo rivers also repeatedly caught fire. So did MichiganÂs Rouge River."
"Fires on the Chicago River were so frequent they were community events. Spectators gathered on bridges like it was a Fourth of July celebration."
It doesn't surprise me that these rivers could burn. All that industry dumping their waste into the rivers, it's more surprising that they've got them back to halfway clean.
Now you have a little history to impress your in-laws with next time the family gets together.
The RRHOF is a "hall of fame", and by definition not necessarily obliged to acknowledge innovators or those who expanded the vocabulary of rock music, so I guess we shouldn't expect to see Area, Can, Captain Beefheart, King Crimson or Van der Graaf Generator inducted anytime soon. This aside, i'll beat a dead horse one more time while thanking Rockdanny for taking the high road regarding an earlier comment.
Here's the deal. Hendrix used feedback, vibrato, volume and pedal effects in ways that none of his predecessors did. SRV absorbed and emulated what Jimi did at an early stage of his development and cited Hendrix as his primary inspiration in several interviews. Those hanging onto the notion that SRV (who admittedly has a solid blues foundation) eclipsed Jimi or is not mostly Hendrix based as a player are dead wrong. It could rationally be argued that guys like Jean Paul Bourelly, Kido Natsuki, Akin Eldes, David Fiuczynski, Bambi Fossati, Ax Generich, David Torn, Sonny Sharrock, Larry Coryell and John McLaughlin (circa Devotion) have reached higher while standing on Jimi's shoulders.
I am not familiar with most of the people you mention, but I am somewhat familiar with Coryell and extremely familiar with McLaughlin's music. They are not like Hendrix.
SRV's basic sound is too close to Hendrix for my liking. It kept me from embracing his playing for years even though he is a hometown hero. I heard him live before he was famous and while he was famous. I transcribed much of his work for local guitar students (this is what I do, partly, to live in this world). The more I worked with his music the more I became convinced (over a period of many years) that I had been wrong and that there was far more there than I had initially thought.
That said, I prefer Johnny Winter hands down, but SRV was a huge talent that should not be denied his just due. And much of what he did was closer to rock and roll than so many of the HOF inductees. I don't regard him as an innovator or particularly original, so if that's your main issue I can see it. But he's not just another Hendrix clone.
Tostado...The McLaughlin Devotion record would never have been made were it not for Hendrix. Same is true w/ much of Coryell's output, (you could find this out by getting more familiar w/ his recordings or by just asking him). I dig Winter a lot too and suppose HOF is nice for those who get in even if it often has zero to do w/ an artists musical achievements or impact.
McLaughlin has about 20,000 other releases that sound nothing like Hendrix. I just don't see that there is a case here. Most people have never heard Devotion and know him from the Mahavishnu Orchestra LP's (or later). Sorry, there's nothing there to say he's "standing on Jimi's shoulders." He's made a career by NOT sounding like Hendrix.
BTW, have you heard Oz Noy? Kind of Hendrix-meets-McLaughlin with a splash of T. Monk. He knocks me out, especially live. You might like him.
The post you responded to specifically refers to the Devotion record. This one as previously stated would not have been made unless McLaughlin absorbed A LOT of Hendrix. On many other releases McLaughlin also demonstrates that he's listened to Hendrix, (this doesn't mean he sounds just like him). No big deal... you're entitled to an opinion, even a poorly informed one.
I haven't been to an Oz Noy show, but picked up five of his recordings. Liked Ha, Twisted Blues and Live enough to keep em'. He really comes up w/ some interesting bits, but can get stuck in clichÃ©s and a metronomic use of percussion, (maybe not as bad in this department as Satriani). If Oz Noy played nearby I'd want to check it out, even if he's not one of those guys who you'd always recognize after hearing him go for five seconds.
I thought you guys had better ears tham what I am reading. SRV doesn't sound anything like Hendrix. No one does. All the great blues guys sound very different form one another to my ears, each has his own thing going and sound and style. Winter is not any of the Kings who are not each other or Jimi, or Hubert, or Robert or any of the Blinds or each other or Texas, Chicago or Delta. They are all very, very different so let's celebrate the diversity and amazing output of these guys and their guitars that I can't even hold a candle to in my lame attempts to try and play even a basic 12 bar progression.
And the Academies of Mundane and Halls of Shame everywhere are for $$$$$$$$$ and nothing more in order to capture from the willing sheep. Another Roadside Attraction!
Trust your ears!
Duanegoosen, regarding Hendrix and McLaughlin -- do you hear the Hendrix influence on "My Goal's Beyond"? An album made by McLaughlin around the same time as "Devotion". Do you hear the Hendrix influence on McLaughlin on any of his Miles Davis or Tony Williams Lifetime recordings from this time period? I don't, but that just my opinion.
guys America has produced two superlative rock/blues guitarists only. OF those who became famous,
Carlos Santanta, unbeatable,and Daune Allman ,
Are they in the hall of fame, ?
understood about Devotion, I just think "standing on his shoulders" is an overstatement of the situation, that's all.
McLaughlin has carved out an original style second to none IMO.
Oz is a lot of fun live. Very unpredictable but very satisfying. He plays with a lot of different sidemen. Here in Austin it's usually Roscoe Beck on bass and Anton Fig on drums. And Eric Johnson usually joins him for about 20-30 minutes at the end, which is a treat for many.
Speaking of which, Eric and Stevie emerged around the same time. Of the two I'd think SRV is a more likely RRHOF candidate. In both cases it took me many years to fully appreciate the immense talent there (and not just empty virtuosity).
IMO McLaughlin and Hendrix were key figures in pushing the boundaries of electric guitar playing. Hendrix was at his peak before McLaughlin and provided a huge field of reference that pretty much changed the ground rules for everyone. To say that McLaughlin was "standing on the shoulders" as a figurative in reference to the Devotion album shouldn't seem out of line to an informed listener. It would be way more off the mark to say he sounds nothing like Hendrix. Obviously JM is familiar w/ Hendrix recordings. He can't unhear them and probably wouldn't want to. Both players absorbed and were influenced by stuff from all over the map and both shared quite a bit of musical DNA. In interviews it sometimes turns out that the sources they drew from to develop as players are not readily apparent.
To sort of get back to the topic of the post, can't speak for the RROF, but SRV is too conspicuously derivative to be on my top 100 guitarist list, (I know BFD).
IMO Hendrix invented modern guitar playing (the Yardbirds' 3 lead players notwithstanding). Everyone after him owes a debt. But I don't count him among the group of the guys who actually sound like Jimi (Robin Trower, SRV and others).
Steve, I can't understand how SRV's basic sound does not sound similar to Hendrix to you. But SRV IMO managed to carve his own niche-sound wise, both vocally and with the guitar. Still, a little too close to Hendrix a lot of the time.
Superlative or not... Johnny is still better.