Why Is Krell the a bad work???

Fpeel, I didn't realize I was being tested. I still like krell, I have owned Krell, wish I still did. I sold it to aquire a triamp system that is good, but not what the Krell was.

One simple question- When do go beyond the critical listening and get to enjoying the music? It sickens me to here the banter of this. The krell lifted the veil over the midrange or the plinius sounds so much more robust and authoritative in the lower frequencies. The Cello amps sound so much more liquid and not so solid as the Thresholds. My amp can beat up your amp. It's all B/S. There is one question that most audiophiles need to ponder, Do I love the music or the toys. I won't be visiting this site very often any more, I'm sure this won't upset anybody. The whole thing stinks of petty little personal issues and whiney little people.

Fpeel, thank you for making my point. Your inability to distance yourself from my post shows how petty you are. I pointed no finger at an indiviual, yet you have to make it personal and attack me directly.

My problem with people giving help on equipment is that most are simply regurgitating what they have heard others say, very few comments are based on any real empirical evidence. When I was at UIUC, I worked in an Audio store that sold real high end components. Our line up consisted of Krell, Levinson, Cello, Jadis, Magnepan, Apogee, Linn, Sumo, Belles et al. Monday evenings seemed to be the night that the So called Audiophiles would pounce on our store to banter at each otherabout the pros and cons of Audio. Now most of them had really nice gear. Gear that they were intimatley familiar with. Again most would denounce the abilities of one brand versus another with out having lived with the equipment. How can you derive a cogent argument with out knowing the unit as well as you know your own? You listen to what others say, you read what so and so wrote in TAS or some other rag. Soon you have a huge pile of vomitus garbage. Most people tha would argue against Krell, have never owned it! Look at the who RU thread. That was genius. It is suprisingly fresh. Most of the people that responded have very modest systems, yet I recognise some of the tags as being very boisterous about certain products that according to their own admissions, are out of their range. I'm not Clueless ( I did laugh at the movie) and I'm not a trouble maker. Unless you consider some one who is honest enough to say make the decision yourself when it comes to equipment. The person giving the advice might have spent the better part of their youth standing in front of the mains and banging their head. Or they might judge their equipment by having a string quartet play in their great room( I know some one that does this). One final point, this cottage industry is doing itself a great deal of harm by being so damned critical. The minutia out weighs the gross. This is driving the price of good equipment sky high. Can you truly justify spending Fifty thousand dollars on a pair of reference amps. I can hear the difference, I simply cannot justify it. I believe that gear does make the difference, but where does it stop and on who's authority

What does my grammar have to do with anything? I suppose that I should dumb myself down to the average, or below. Ok cornpone, I'll give you a break. I'm outta this here place and headed back to the queen of my double wide palace. Stop by sometime, we'll get drunk an shoot some stuff up.

One more thing Cornpone, I furgot Yee Haw.

Trelja, How do you form your opinions? Do you purchase the equipment and then live with that equipment long enough to truly get to know the product. Most people cannot simply cut a check for let us say $6,000.00 just to see if the unit will be a good addition to the system, they cannot afford the loss of reselling the unit as used. In some occasions a dealer will charge out a unit to a good customer for a day or two at best. It takes a long time to build that kind of rapport and trust. Even if you do have that option available, is two days enough to get to know the equipment. For those people whom don't have either option available, they must form opinions by simple instore auditions. The variables that affect the audition are so great in number that I really don't how anyone can create a strong opinion that is meaningful and accurate. I don't intend to offend anyone. If I have, you all have my most sincere appologies, except cornpone. UIUC is not a trade school and yes my part time job at a hi-fi store did qualify me to hear very subtle differences in equipment. I heard the best of the best for four years on a daily basis. I was trained by some of the true Golden Ears that have been instrumental in the foundation of several of todays best of the best. I have designed and built loudspeakers for the pure joy of it for 18 years. What is your history?

Cornpone, I'm sorry the name fits, but it does. Apparently you have a good "rapport" with your local dealers if what you say is to be believed. Good for you. Now, UIUC stands for The University OF Illinois at Champaign/Urbana. It is a highly regarded University for Electrical Engineering. Nuff said. My secondary education at the store was much more interesting. When you are able to gleen the minds of such people as Brian Theil, Mark Levinson, Jason Bloom and th like, You have a tendency to retain the information for a long time. When Mr. Nakamichi personally comes to introduce the new 1000 series, you take notes. Yes, my college years have stuck with me. They were the foundation on which I built my system. They do give me the right to say that I can hear the nuances. The word synergy has been used alot in these posts. This is pretty accurate description for most systems. Synergy is a positive out come from forces working for and against each other in an other wise chaotic system. That out come can only be determined by you and your ears. When listening to a new piece of equipment, I will go buy a few completley new CD's. Theycan be by performers that i'm familiar with or a complete stranger. I then see if anything really reaches out to me, if it does I reinstall the old piece and see if it can be reproduced with the same pleasure. If so, the new piece isn't worth going any further with, if not, then I proceed with the new. This usually includes writing a check. BTW I feel no need to kiss up to anyone, they simply posted the kind of responce that is truly worthy of a responce. You, I am done with. I will not respond to you again. I have better things to do with my time and effort. Terrorist or not, I'm done. You bore me.

Trelja, some points well taken. I think that I will join for the long hall, acornfedboy seems to be a decent gent afterall. Hatchets are buried deep. I never meant to indicate that I was some omnipotent audio god. I stated that what I learned in the store was the FOUNDATION of my of my knowlege. I have never stopped learning. I may sound arrogant, but I'm not just cocky. I have studied music and audio through the entire recording chain. I took classes in recording technics not at some engineer in a can type of school but at a working 24 track studio. The tuition was repaid in working the studio. It supplied me with knowledge that I would never have been able to get from a book. This was part of my foundation. my wife used to dance for the Geoffrey Ballet in New York, this supplied me with knowledge of music in relaition to movement and dance composition. I have studied alot more concerning audio than how one piece sounds compared to the other. Agian if this makes my posts sound arrogant or cocky I'm sorry. I'm glad you have such a diverse amount of good dealers in your area. UNfortunately, most of the good dealers in mine have gone to their demise. Bestbuy and Circuit city have taken their toll. You aren't going to find hi-fi in either location. BTW I have been a lurker on this site for around two years. I have done some buisness on this site as well. Everyone have a nice weekend, If I don't get off this computer, I think that I will have only two children to be concerned about putting through college.