Schumann Resonators are little boxes you plug into the wall that produce electromagnetic radiation tuned to 7.83 Hz. This is the frequency that the earth/atmosphere system “rings” at when the Earth is struck by lightning. It is also a common frequency your brain “ticks” at.
When employed in the listening room, many people claim it makes their audio sound better. If this is true, then what is the mechanism of action?
-Is it a matter of the resonator producing a more relaxed mental state? -Does it help block or alter electromagnetic interference? -Does it add its own electromagnetic interference to your system that just so happens to be pleasing?
I experimented with one recently and what I noticed is that it seemed to remove some of the high frequency nasties or what some might call “digital glare” (although digital glare can also show up in analog systems). When I made this observation, the resonator was placed right next to my power strip that my CD player, preamp and some other devices are plugged into.
My “proof” of the effect is that I could turn the volume up louder than usual without it sounding “too loud.” The sound levels of the system weren’t any quieter, it’s just that the digital glare was reduced so that I could go louder before thinking “this is too loud,” which usually isn’t a sound level thing per se but the point as which some frequency (often the highs) become irritating.
So who here has experience with these devices? Do you like them? Does anyone know why they work?
Hi Geoff, I too worked on the "you know what" project in Wisconsin. I don't want you to feel lonely with no answers to your question so I will take a pure guess based on little to no knowledge. I would venture that the commercial
Schumann resonator (i.e., magnetic pulse generator) is basically an electromagnet tuned to the Schumann resonance of 7.83Hz by
using an oscillating charge. Again a pure guess but I would venture the frequency could be determined by some combination of the length of the winding around a core and the electrical current provided, while the generally prescribed area of influence (usually about 5 feet +/-) might be limited by the diameter of the core and/or the energy output. Refute and correct as needed. Merry Christmas
Hi, thanks for playing, but let me remind you “that project” in Wisconsin transmitted a wave of about 76 Hz which required 84 miles of above ground antennae. The original system would have had 6,000 miles of buried antennae. So, to transmit 7.83 Hz wave the antenna size would have to be much much longer, no? I was on the project circa 1980-82, right after they had a big problem when capacitors the size of VWs in the 1M Watts Class A amplifier kept exploding.
The Wisconsin project was designed to transmit a LF wave that could be detected virtually anywhere on earth, including (clue) deep into the seas. The commercial Schumann resonator is good for about 5 feet so maybe not the same purpose? Again a guess but aren't electromagnetic waves the result of vibrating electric and magnetic fields? Cannot the resulting frequency of the electromagnetic wave (not an audio frequency) be varied? BTW, the Wisconsin project was designed to use an antenna covering most of the state but since the good tree-hugging folks in Wisconsin sniffed that out and protested, the Wisconsin facility was linked with another transmitter in Michigan. Also BTW, the bears in Wisconsin scratched the heck out of the poles that antenna was connected to. Maybe they were Russian bears?
The original theory behind Schumann resonators was that if you created an electromagnetic pulse at 7.83 Hz (the loudest Schumann resonance point. I think there are 8 total up to 45 Hz) you will overwhelm all the man made electromagnetic pollution and create a more healthy environment. It is a hard argument to make because in this environment we live much longer due to a multitude of reasons. Do Schumann resonators make Hi Fi's sound better. If anything they would make them sound worse. Suppose your turntables resonance was set at a nice 8 Hz. Creating a strong 7.83 Hz electromagnetic pulse near the turntable could theoretically get the tonearm bouncing at 8 Hz. Anybody got an MRI scanner in their house?
Enter the pseudo scientists. Next up, a pseudo scientist will start yelling, “But you can’t hear it in a controlled blind test!” 🤬 Or some other psychological claptrap. Think of it like 12 Angry Pseudo Scientists on steroids.
The clue to the answer to my question is buried in the statement that the original single system of 6,000 miles of antennas was converted to two connected systems with a total of only 84 miles of antennas.
mijostyn Do Schumann resonators make Hi Fi’s sound better. If anything they would make them sound worse. Suppose your turntables resonance was set at a nice 8 Hz. Creating a strong 7.83 Hz electromagnetic pulse near the turntable could theoretically get the tonearm bouncing at 8 Hz.
>>>>>So, you think electromagnetic waves are mechanical waves? I suggest you don’t quit your day job.
mijostyn The original theory behind Schumann resonators was that if you created an electromagnetic pulse at 7.83 Hz (the loudest Schumann resonance point. I think there are 8 total up to 45 Hz) you will overwhelm all the man made electromagnetic pollution and create a more healthy environment. It is a hard argument to make because in this environment we live much longer due to a multitude of reasons.
>>>>No, the reason the theory that the Schumann frequency is overwhelmed by modern electromagnetic waves like radio, TV and microwaves doesn’t make sense is because all of those types of waves can and do coexist without interfering or canceling each other. They are at the opposite ends of the spectrum.🔚🔜 Hel-loo! Even satellite uplink and downlink signals of many GHz won’t interfere if they are offset just a couple MHz. Duh!
Excerpt from NASA report on human performance issues for manned space missions:
NASA Contractor Report 33-42
1986
Human Performance Issues Arising From Manned Space Station Missions
10. One contact believes that the 🔜 absence of low-frequency radiation🔚 can have some physiological consequences. He said that this radiation is commonly referred to as Schumann resonance. Speaking to this subject he said:
"Within the ionosphere-Earth surface cavity there is, I think, about an 8-Hz to 32-Hz oscillating field with a series of peaks in that field that is generated by lightning storms on Earth, but the net result of all that electromagnetic activity is that we’re exposed from conception to death to this oscillating field, and there is some evidence that if you play with that field here on Earth, particularly by superimposing a 5-Hz, 4-Hz, or 3-Hz field on what is already there (and it is very difficult to isolate the individual from it unless you go underground) and you get some neurological problems. It does affect people, and it is probably related to what happens to you when you get a relatively low-frequency strobe light flashing at you. A lot of people feel very very uncomfortable neurologically when that happens. In space, of course, it’s absent. Once you get above the ionosphere that field is absent, and there is some concern among physicists who have a background in neurophysiology that there might be an instantaneous effect contributing to the Space Adaptation Syndrome, but they are more concerned about what the long-term effect may be if the brain actually uses that frquency on occasion or continuously to reset it’s own timing signals in it’s central processor. So, I would FLAG that as an unknown.”
Discussions are endless on these units, but one think is certain. If properly installed they make an amazing positive improvement to systems that already are functioning at a high level. One of the best tweaks ever.
How does a Schumann resonator generate a 7.83 Hz signal in the room given that the antenna size required would be in the order of 25,000 miles?
Since the Wisconsin project was able to accomplish its goal using a shorter antenna by linking with a second transmitter located in Michigan, I am going to guess the commercial Schumann resonator generates its 7.83 Hz signal in the room while using a short antenna by generating two higher frequency waves with a difference of 7.83 Hz, which create a resultant frequency of 7.83 Hz.
Bingo! You answered my original question. So you win the prize of Machina Dynamic’s brand new product, Flying Saucers on Afterburners (3). PM your shipping address. Looks like all your work on “that project” in Wisconsin is finally paying off. 🤗
audiozenology Either way ... Mahgister, I am not a Schumann resonator advocate, but I expect that the accuracy is sufficient to be within the range of the typical resonance.
>>>>That’s so funny! You say that without any evidence at all. You obviously don’t know the first thing about it.
Last time I read about these New Age contraptions they were suppose to cure everything from depression to kidney failure along with magic pyramids, copper bracelets and crystal necklaces.
Receiving is a different game than transmitting. That’s why some satcom receive dishes are only a few inches across. And why HF radio receive antennae are usually relatively small whereas the transmit antennae are very large. Your cellphone antenna is another obvious example. Hel-loo! It’s a link power budget issue. The Schumann frequency doohickey is a transmitter.
Since I don't interact with trolls, can someone tell the troll, who does not understand antennas that antennas are bidirectional, whether used as such as the time.
ELF antennas on land are transmit only, on boats receive only antennas. So are TV satellite dishes receive only. The Schumann device is transmit only. Nice try, flyboy!
So enjoyable to read people espouse about antennas but not know how they work. It is something one can see on every Internet forum, every day ... nothing to see here.
You loose again. Try to keep up with the discussion. The only reason ELF works is because the boat receive antenna is receive only. Ditto satellite TV antennas. Better luck next time, flyboy. Stick around, you might learn something, although I doubt you are capable. The only one here with a big T on his forehead is you, flyboy.
audiozenology"So enjoyable to read people espouse about antennas but not know how they work. "
Actually some very authoritative, concise, and accurate explanations have been offered hear for the benefit of this forum's users and you're inability to recognize, acknowledge, and accept these explanations which have for the most part been very basic, fundamental, and elementary reflects you're failure or inability to understand introductory level electronics on the order of a "Boy Scout badge."
Hey Clearthink, I was hoping you could give me some heads up on your stalk-trollung. I was already about 40 pages into "Clearthinks Practical book of Impractical Rants". If I knew I would be adding several pages today I would have gotten out of bed earlier but you know ... Holidays and all.
Don't tell a certain someone that you can build an AM band transmitter with a 2" antenna too. Those 10 meter band walkie talkies with little antennas couldn't work either. No idea how bad power supplies radiate 10 meter RF ... Enclosed and battery powered. It's a Christmas miracle!!
I won’t mention any names but somebody is either pretending to be dense or really is dense. If he’s pretending he’s doing a very good job. We happen to be talking about ELF signals which are receive only and Schumann generators which are transmit only. The boats have receivers, not transceivers. Try to focus. 👀
The "signals" were also not much more than a short coded text messages of a few letters letting certain boats know they should surface to receive a more specific message by radio or satellite. This is due to the short bandwidth of the ELF. I thought we all learned that from Sean Connery and Alec Baldwin.
Nurse! Man down! Thorazine! The more energetic the EM wave the shorter the wavelength. That’s why very short wavelength EM like gamma rays and x-rays are bad gnus. 🐃 🐃 🐃 I thought everyone gnu 🐃 that. Generally speaking, the shorter the communications EM wavelength the smaller/shorter the antenna, and vice versa. Some EM is visible, some not. There are three differences right there. Hel-loo! I said this would be fun but I didn’t say for whom.
I wonder if certain people are trying to fool themselves so they don't have to admit their limitations to themselves, or they are trying to fool others in a desperate attempt to convince others they possess knowledge they don't have?
No worries. Most people have had walkie talkies with small antennas as kids, have key fobs for their cars with miniscule antennas for a 1 meter wavelength RF, and have had AM radios that fit into their hands that picked up 500 meter long waves just fine. I think they will make the leap that that RF signals don't require wavelength sized antennas .... Even if you can't.
I wonder if you have a screw loose. That makes us even. You’re just another screwball in a series of screwballs this year. The ELF antenna must be long even when two separate antenna arrays are connected to generate the difference signal. The total length is 84 miles. In the case of the Schumann frequency a single antenna would have to be 25,000 miles long. Were you in a bad motorcycle accident or something?
Genie is out of the bottle. You have failed to lead people astray yet again. That must get tiring. Must be awful not admitting, realizing, or whatever the issue is that RF is RF, whether 7.83Hz or 550KHz, and just like you don't need a 500 meter antenna for 550KHz, you don't need a 25,000 mile antenna for 7.83 hz. Are you really that daft where RF is concerned? Surely you don't think the keyfob for a car requires a 1 meter long antenna. Try to fit that into your pocket!
You have the market on that cornered. Most people are rather perceptive. They can make the leap that you can send and receive with an antenna far smaller than a wavelength. I wonder what they think of your constant protestations and deflections?
You do get that if a sub can receive ... It can transmit? May not be very efficient but it can. Sorry that simple and we'll known fact is lost on you. Anyone who understand RF is laughing .... And not with you.
He who laughs last laughs best. So far you’ve proved you don’t know much about anything. I used to work in the radio room, as it were. The sub can’t transmit at ELF frequency. It was explained earlier, which you would have read if you weren’t so busy flapping your gums. It can only receive. What about the word receiver don’t you understand? And the land based ELF antenna can only transmit. God gave you two ears and one mouth for a reason.
You attack people here, I attack the erroneous content in your posts. You have already shown everyone else you have lost the argument. Too late. Ship has sailed. People who attack people in forums and not their post content ...do so because they can't.
The sub based antenna "could" transmit, but the amount of RF power that could be generated would be low. The long length of the ground based system and the high transmit powers allows more RF power to be generated. The ELF generator for sub communications (whose antenna are not all full wavelength and many are less) has a transmission power of millions of watts. Did you learn anything in that radio room?
Why do Schumann generators have no range? ... Hmmmmm
I know enough to know when you’re lying. When ever you open your mouth.
you said,
“The sub based antenna "could" transmit, but the amount of RF power that could be generated would be low.”
No shirt, Sherlock. That’s why the system was designed to be a one-way system. The sub has no transmitter. There is no need for two way communication. You’ve been flapping your gums instead of paying attention.
It is perfectly capable of transmitting which you just admitted. You just admitted a few hundred feet long antenna can transmit low frequencies .... Awesome you are finally learning !!!
LOL 😂 You’re putting words in my mouth. I said no such thing, in fact I’ve been saying the opposite. Put on your listening ears. The sub is not (rpt not) capable of transmitting at ELF frequency. Even if it had a transmitter, which it doesn’t. It would require a *very large* antenna at ELF frequency. And a lot (rpt lot) of transmit power. Not only that but the land-based system is not (rpt not) equipped with a RECEIVER. It only has a TRANSMITTER. Hel-loo! Earth to audiozenology! Come in! 👨🚀The way the ELF system actually works is much more logical than you’re wild imagination. The submerged sub RECEIVES the ELF message, Then it nearly surfaces to have two-way communications on VLF frequency. 3-30 kHz. But even the sub’s VLF antenna is very long. Hel-loo! Do the math!
So, to have only one-way communication on ELF frequency of 76 Hz a huge antenna and enormous transmit power plus a super-sensitive receiver on the sub is required. 84 miles and 1 Million watts. That’s just for one-way communication. Follow?
See, that wasn’t so difficult, was it? Of course this is all moot since the ELF system was dismantled so time ago in 2004.
Wiki quick study,
ELF radio waves are generated by lightning and natural disturbances in Earth’s magnetic field, so they are a subject of research by atmospheric scientists. Because of the difficulty of building antennas that can radiate such long waves, ELF frequencies have been used in only a very few man-made communication systems. ELF waves can penetrate seawater, which makes them useful in communication with submarines, and a few nations have built military ELF transmitters to transmit signals to their submerged submarines, consisting of huge grounded wire antennas (ground dipoles) 15 - 60 km long driven by transmitters producing megawatts of power. The US, Russia, India, and China are the only nations known to have constructed these ELF communication facilities.[6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13] The U.S. facilities were used between 1985 and 2004 but are now decommissioned.[9]
Sorry Geoff are proving yourself a triggered Wiki wannabee again. I even know the exact articles you are referencing wrt to the dual frequencies to create the 7.83hz. The sub could absolutely transmit, just it's range would be poor. Do you know one of the reasons why they need so much power? Salt water .... Behaves much like metal. Makes a great RF shield. Is your room with your Schumann generator filled with salt water?
And yet I can built an AM transmitter at 550khz with a puny antenna and very low power that can transmit 100s of feet. 550Khz is 545 meters wavelength.
The issue is your total lack of anything approaching knowledge w.r.t. antenna theory. Literally 0 it appears. That is why you keep making personal attacks but have 0 details in your posts. Your personal attacks are childish and show some deep seated insecurities on your part.
There we go. More childish insults. YOU have 0 clue about antenna theory, antenna design, narrow band coil antenna, or anything related. Therefore you keep spouting the same ignorant nonsense about full wavelength antennas and what it takes to "push" a signal through hundreds of feet on conductive water, as opposed to a simple device with "effects" if any of a few meters. The natural Schumann resonance e-field is puny, 100's of microvolts/meter, the magnetic field, a picotesla, or about 5 orders of magnitude below the earths static fields without any human activity.
Most of these small devices make stupid claims like "scalar waves" or "scale wave fields", quackery science with no basis in reality (like many other claims certain people make).
How crazy are the claims associated with many of the products? ...
"We were
checking through hundreds of frequencies in locating the best possible signal which would have
maximum penetration into the human Biofield. Little did we know that the particular frequency we
choose was only .02 off the actual frequency that the “Arc of the Covenant” functions at.
(Described in the Bible. Also the feature in the movie Indiana Jones)"
... who cares that the frequency changes 0.3 - 0.4Hz over the day. Why let facts get in the way?
Oh, better yet ....
"Since Scalar Waves operate outside of our conventional three-dimensional world,
and thus they are not constrained by the limitations of conventional rules of physics.
Using conventional instruments, there is no way to measure the Scalar Field
output as it functions outside of conventional physical principles."
... convenient. It's like they created an excuse that it is unlikely to prove their product does not do anything.
You’re barking at the moon, cowboy. I don’t make any claims. You must be mistaking me for someone who cares. Any knucklehead can find some ridiculous claims on the internet if he looks 👀 hard enough. If I can be so bold I suggest you back to whatever bunch of pseudo-scientist posers you came from.
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