Why audiophiles are different (explained with color)


A very interesting video on color and color perception. How it comes into being.

In the act of doing so, it illustrates how the complexity of the high end audio world comes into existence.. 

at the same time it explains how we end up with almost what you would call 'violent detractors'. Negative detractors.

People unable to discern nuance. Audio haters. As in .....non evolved people, regarding audio.

This is not a put down, it merely uses the words to describe the position in life they are in at the time. They may evolve more into the given audio directions, or they may not. It is a matter of will, choice, time, and innate capacity to do so.

Why The Ancient Greeks Couldn't See Blue
teo_audio
Excellent!

Something I have been saying for a long time now. Not just me, either. I got it from Robert Harley’s excellent The Complete Guide to High End Audio. There’s a whole chapter devoted to a glossary of audiophile terms for the way things sound and the importance and value in being able to recognize them.

So for example take grain, the term we use for a sound that has a rough texture. Grain can be rough like gravel or fine like sand or even finer like a powder. When all the grain is gone the sound is smooth and liquid.

The video guy talks about cultures always going through stages starting with black and white, then red, yellow/green, and finally blue. This is just like what I was saying a while back about the audiophile stages.

Everyone starts out being able to discern volume. Most everyone can tell which is louder. Then comes frequency response or tone. This is a variation on volume, basically evaluating if the volume is the same at every frequency. Almost all audiophiles get this, and it explains perfectly why so many are so caught up in EQ and frequency response. Many (not all) are stuck and never get past this intermediate stage.

Then we have imaging, the ability to locate a sound in 3D space. This is innate in human beings and so if the system is set up properly (far from certain) many audiophiles will hear imaging. Still, notice how many arguments there are among audiophiles about imaging, from people who don’t hear it, many of whom are convinced it does not exist at all!

Just like the Greeks who are blind to blue, these audiophiles are deaf to imaging.

The last and highest stages of listening involve the ability to discern fine details- and not fine in terms of volume necessarily but fine in terms of character. The gradations of grain to liquid mentioned earlier are one aspect of this.

Take something like warm up. Cold gear is grainy. The same component after thorough warm up is much smoother. A lot of the difference between freebie rubber power cords and quality wire is grain. Yes also dynamics, imaging, etc. Whole long list. But notice, almost everything on the list is the same sort of higher level last things we learn to hear sort of attribute!  

Little wonder then that so many debate so vociferously whether these things do anything at all. No wonder we have these people throwing snake oil around. Blind to blue. 

Said it a million times: listening is a skill. Skills can be learned. Skills you can get better at. If you cannot tell the difference between two wires, or think they are tone controls, or maybe don’t even think these things exist, all that means is you are blind to blue. But the good news here is, you don’t have to be. You can open your eyes and see. You just have to make the effort to learn how.
Very colorful explanation for a vivid imagination. 
You can lead a horse to water. But you can't make him think.
Wow give me what your smoking.
It makes me think of the "Pink room", they use to use to calm people down. BUT if they stay in the room over the 15 minutes, they become agitated again, even more so..

We are what we see? I don’t know about that, but beautiful things sure make the music sound better..

Joe Cockers "Leave your hat on" comes to mind.. Not the best lookin’ fellow, BUT that song and "The girl" that use to dance to it for me (Buffy the belly dancer) were pure RED, like smokin’ RED, fire engine red... So I guess the "First color" works very well, primal in origin.

Then BLUE is last, what happen to the friggin rainbow? The colors in that.. Left out violet all together, that is why the old guys and girls didn’t mention it, They couldn’t make it, why on earth name it..

VIOLET though, and the description of "Scarlet" is throughout history...From enlightenment and self-awareness, if only in a positive (violet) or negative (Scarlet) way.  LOL though dismissed behind closed doors.. Surely the latter "Scarlet" is an action not a color..:-)

Colors count, darken the room, and listen, to "Dark side of the moon" bright lights and that kind of music just won’t go together..

Vice Versa too. I hear Yoko Ono, I think of anything BUT color, pastels least of all.. More like pine pitch, something irritating. BUT pine pitch has a purpose.. :-) I can honestly say her voice can cause people to react, like bigger Shi#heads, than they already were.. YUP..

Regards
" Not only is our perception of the world an illusion, our brains are an active part of creating it. "

@teo_audio  Thanks for sharing!
" Not only is our perception of the world an illusion, our brains are an active part of creating it. "

Neo after the red pill?
For those who would like to read about things such as "burn in" and warm up, I direct you to my article "Audiophile Law: Thou Shalt Not Overemphasize Burn In". There is discussion of warm up as well. It is at Dagogo.com 
Not only listening music must be learned....

Listening sounds must be learned also.....

And by the way it is not exactly the same phenomenon , music is not sound and sound is not music....For those who need an example, politic is not ideology, ideology is not politic.... 😁

Two things can be completely distinctive without being separable....Like husband and wife or the yin and yang or the positive and the negative.... 😁



I just transform completely my room replacing a 1/4 inches lenght sloosh beverage straw in my 8 foot Helmholtz bottle homemade plumber tube by a regular straw of 1/4 inches lenght also... ASTOUNDING result...

A sound wave with a speed of 343 meters per second cross my room of 3.9 meter, 88 times each second....Many times then each fraction of second ...


Imagine your room like a very tense string on a violin, the slightest change make it vibrate differently.... Your room acoustic space is like a tense string indeed.....The physician Helmholtz is the real father of room acoustic indeed....


Listening to the Empire Brass ensemble playing Gabrielli after the straw change, and the tuba 35 hertz was coming alive completely from my 7 inches driver Mission Cyrus speakers.... Who need a subwoofer? the audible effect is across all bass frequencies range and over....

i dont listen cinema at all....Only music.... 😁 Then i dont need to listen bombs or planes.....i need to listen the bassier piano notes perfectly tough....




An audiophile is someone who can transform TOTALLY his room with 1/4 inches straw lenghth.... I guess i am one.... 😉

A consumer is someone who will spend many thousand of dollars to do the same thing.... 😎

Only superstitious conditioned mind or professional sellers think that audiophile experience is money invested directly related....I listen to a bad system whose value was 300,000 bucks....
You know why? They lack a straw at the right spot....

Acoustic is an experimental science, not a consumer costly product.... Try your own experiment....


Dont upgrade anything, embed everything rightfully....
Dont throw money, use your ears, and be creative....
Just like the Greeks who are blind to blue, these audiophiles are deaf to imaging.
MC, or perhaps blind to it.
Gotta love it..

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You know why? They lack a straw at the right spot....

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For peanuts..

I'm tellin you though, it looks like the Beverly Hillbillies moonshining contraption.. Granny would be proud. 

Regards
Discussions of the interdependence of language and perception goes back as far as the pre-Socratics. More recent, influential work was done by Sellars, who argued that the idea of a "given" (in other words, reality telling us how it must be interpreted) is a myth. See, e.g., https://iep.utm.edu/epis-per/
Thanks interesting article....

What we call the given, and what we modern call the Imaginary, are correlated and regulated one another in the space of what Cassirer inspired by Goethe called the symbolic form....

The "given" perceived, posit to be objectively perceived, is an idea that come from the domination of the nominalism and of the cartesianism after him, culminating in the technological and theoretic science before quantum mechanic....The "given" is not a myth strictly speaking tough,it is a new correlation and a new regulation between the fundamental polarities of the symbolic forms themselves who always mediate between a "pure" knowledge which never exist and "pure" spontaneous action which never exist either separated absolutely from one another .... Reality is always appearing as perspectival symbolic form itself...

Goethe is the first phenomenologist to experience it consciusly with his plant morphology, and in his color theory....Cassirer being more a disciple of Goethe than even of Kant unbeknownst to most....