Why are speakers rarely satisfactory?


The vast majority of audiophiles spend decades or even their entire life searching for speakers that sound right. All of us on this forum are searching for that perfect sound. You would think that out of all the different speakers out there, there would be one that meets a persons requirements. So why are most audiophiles rarely satisfied?
There are literally hundreds of speakers on the market. Surely one of those would very closely match the preferred frequency response being sought, so what is going on here?
kenjit
I like mine. What's wrong with you?
Same thing over and over again, gets the same result every time. You do know what that means, don't you?
@dill  what are you doing on this forum if you are satisfied with your system? You are a frequent visitor on this forum. You are clearly looking to achieve higher sound quality that you do not currently have.
I just like to check out the latest crap you are pushing. 
Another stupid thread by the village idiot
what are you doing on this forum if you are satisfied with your system? You are a frequent visitor on this forum. You are clearly looking to achieve higher sound quality that you do not currently have.

What? Are you really trying to say speakers are the only way to achieve higher quality sound? Someone can't be perfectly happy with their speakers and come here to learn about other things? Or be happy with their speakers and just want to learn how to get more out of them?

C'mon man! 
There are good speakers in crap rooms, crap speakers in good rooms, crap speakers in crap rooms, and good speakers in good rooms. I suppose a 1 in 4 chance of being happy ain't bad odds in this 2020 crap-show.
 Im very happy with my speakers, and was happy with the pairs before them. If I upgrade from my current ones I have no doubt I will be happy with them also. Why don't you go away and not come back till you have something to offer?
I love my ugly, naked, original, 1957 Quad ESLs. I could buy any speaker I wanted but these work for me.
+1 noromance! Peter Walker said "We don't think our speakers are the best, only that all the others are worse". I have two pairs of the 57's!
Kenjit........... you suck man! 
@kenjit,

"The vast majority of audiophiles spend decades or even their entire life searching for speakers that sound right. All of us on this forum are searching for that perfect sound. You would think that out of all the different speakers out there, there would be one that meets a persons requirements. So why are most audiophiles rarely satisfied?
There are literally hundreds of speakers on the market. Surely one of those would very closely match the preferred frequency response being sought, so what is going on here?"


Mechanical (physical) signal processing tends to be far less accurate than its electrical (atomic) equivalent.

Hence loudspeakers exhibit many many times more distortion than the rest of the components (cables, pre amps, power amps, CD players, DACs, network devices, streamers etc) all added together.

Most of us realise that no loudspeaker sounds like real life. They all try to fool us into believing that we are listening to a real performance, but we can always tell that we're not.

It's accepted that there is no such as a perfect loudspeaker and all of them to some degree or another attempt to hide their sonic deficiencies.

All of them.

Some even jettison the entire bass end of the frequency, whilst others deliberately lower resolution to avoid further exposing their own weaknesses.

So it's hardly surprising that they're not altogether satisfactory. However since we audiophiles all desire greater sonic satisfaction, we keep on looking for incremental improvements and hopefully learning something along the way.

As far as I know no one has ever attempted to build a perfect loudspeaker, and who knows what would it even look like?

Can you imagine a single point, omni-directional, full bandwidth design with zero distortion?

Is even this £200k+ effort from MBL getting anywhere near?

https://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/mbl-101-x-treme-omnidirectional-loudspeaker/
@kenjit  Where in hell do you come up with all of the crap you spew? Geeze, man!
I can't tell if these threads begin before the meds, or after.
I don’t find that true , synergy with the rest of your system is key
and I allways upgrade the Xover in all my speakers for even better sonic performance . Many people all very happy I own Amphion 
very good point sourse speakers and room friendly
i have owned many very good speakers from stats planers 
monitors to floor standers each one does specific things well .
your budget and what speakers go best with you amplifier  or sonic requirements takes sometimes several tries before betting an ideal mix .you can get too discouraged,I sold audio for years 
system synergy is most important ,you have to describe exactly what you have for a system, your room , and what specific sonics you are looking for ,unless you have $20 k + for a reference speaker,every thing is a compromise .
I disagree. I can't speak for others, but would guess that most are satisfied with their speakers. But that doesn't mean we're not on the lookout for something better.
Not so....been lovin’ the same pair speakers for 30 years, and have zero plans to give them up.  They just keep getting better with every system upgrade I make.
I can't speak for others, but would guess that most are satisfied with their speakers. But that doesn't mean we're not on the lookout for something better.
You cant have it both ways. Either you are happy or you are not. Which is it? As you point out most people are on the lookout for something better precisely because there is something wrong with what they already have. 
I am TOTALLY satisfied with my speakers and have no desire to replace them. I’ve owned them 5 years. 
The OP’s generalizations paint with a very broad brush and in my experience there are many fine speakers to be had 
I have loved my Apogee Duettas for 30 years now. Not looking for anything else. I come to this forum for insight on other parts of my system. Oh and Kenjit you are either an idiot or a fool.
I'm also presuming, Kenjit, that you have no speakers or a stereo and don't listen to music.
I love my current speakers and have zero desire to upgrade. Now, cables, fuses and such are another matter :)
@kenjit 
"The vast majority of audiophiles spend decades or even their entire life searching for speakers that sound right..."

Start hanging out with music lovers and ditch the component geeks. 
Enjoy what you have. I recently was on a quest to buy speakers made in the Us......instead I donated the 10,000 to a hospital fund and will keep my current system.
"Vast majority... all...most."
False premise seen in all your posts of this ilk. 
Actually, he's right.
My speakers disappeared. All I have is music.
I don't need no stinking speakers!!!
One thing about this kenjit guy is he is persistent.

Btw I like my all my speakers but even so I will add new ones to the collection - just wish I could add girls too.
  1. @kenjit What kind of speakers do you have? Why are you unhappy with them, and what would make you happy?
kenjit OP Why are speakers rarely satisfactory?
More to the point why are many rooms never satisfactory. And why my main stereo room (man cave) is purpose built, I couldn't give a ratz **** about the HT family room.

As speakers are usually measured to be as flat as they can be by manufacturers, none go out of their way to make them non-flat. But rooms can be all over the place.

Cheers George
Why are you fixated on speakers being the problem?
There are many more parts an audiophile needs to address, to extract music that is agreeable.
 Also note that each person hears differently so one person’s “perfect sound” may not be appreciated as such by someone else.
 I think you need to broaden your mind. 🇦🇺
It's not the speakers fault it rats out every other component in the system... I love my speakers. I forgive them for ratting out my DAC. 
Being an Audiophile I have had every type of speaker made out of curiosity ,
pit seems as I stated earlier your amplifier too has a lot to do what will sound best with a specific speaker type . And seeing all these great new speakers 
my brother has a small store in gear and $40 k or more in speakers .
which makes my system pale in compare .,and my system sounds pretty respectable ,I guess being an Audiophile if $$ allows at some point allways striving to get better .for myself having spent more then a nice home on audio 
over 40 years , would spend 6 figures on a audio system if I had the $$.
thst being said getting older ,I am blessed for and thankful for what I have .
some people have $2k for a system and happy to have that.
as a kid I had My first audio system  for $1200 ,and I was thrilled. System synergy 
is what counts .i used to buy what was rated in the magazines class A or B and think everything would sound great , Nope, trial error and experience.
back even 10 years ago there were 3x the Audiostores to listen and get help
now much rarer which is a shame online buying and hope it sounds good .
these forums can be very good like the guy who started this thread.if they  said what they were looking for ,and what their current system is they could get some sound advise.
"...I've changed my hair style, so many times now, I don't know what I look like!"  (D. Byrne, Talking Heads, 'Life During Wartime')

You do realize that repeating the same (experiment, routine, process, etc.) and expecting a different result....has a name for that desire?

Especially when the result is essentially the same?

Kenjit....you might, at least, formulate a novel and new approach to your query and astound us all.  As of now, you've become a 'locked groove' in the LP of your reality thats' worn through to the platter...*sigh*

'Diamonds and Rust', anyone?
I’m probably the only one but I thought it was a good question. 
@rooze 

You have been awarded my Post of the day award.  (Supra).  Love it !
@sjeesjie, on the face of it, yes.  But it, and variations of it, get posed frequently.  And Absolutely NO Answer or comment satisfies the query.
To the extent of many pages, and to the frustration and ill will of the responders....

I'm trying to very diplomatic about this....you might look into previous forums for a hysterical, I mean, Historical 'education'.

Welcome to skool.... ;)
@sjeesjie,

’I’m probably the only one but I thought it was a good question.’


Fear not, it is a certainly a good question, and one that needs an answer. No amount of derision can alter that fundamental point.

Anyone is free to respond if they feel they have something worthwhile to contribute.

That’s what forums are for aren’t they? Asking questions and looking for answers, instead of surreptitious attempts to steer currency toward the path of various financial parties.

It’s probably the key question for anyone new to audio to be asking before mistakenly embarking on a futile lifelong pursuit.

When I first got into audio I was repeatedly led to believe that the Linn Isobarik was the bees knees.

Imagine my shock and disappointment when I finally got to hear a pair. Where are they now, the 1980s so-called best speakers in the world?

Now had I somehow bought a pair without listening first, unlikely as it would have been on a students income, I might have been tempted to visit some of those ’journalists’ in person to demand an explanation.
Being an Audiophile I have had every type of speaker made out of curiosity ,


Man o man, you must be skilled. And, those would have to be very tiny speakers you made. Not much material to work with, as...

Importantly, how did you get the rover back from Mars?

(just kidding, said the grammer nazzie....)
Because your room is garbage.  OK, not literally, but it imposes its character on whatever speakers you use, no matter how good.

Dipoles are less vulnerable to this, owing to the figure 8 radiation pattern, especially in the bass.

Having an acoustician design your listening room, or at least add room treatments to your existing room, is likely the best upgrade you can make to your system, with one exception.

Digital room correction is a godsend.  I use the open-source MathAudioRoomEQ because it's free and easy to set up.  Having used it, I would rather quit listening to music through speakers than go w/o it.  There are, of course, better methods.

Failing that, give up on speakers and use headphones.
Check with a respectable ENT!


KenJit?   
Please.. for your own sake and audio happiness. Humble yourself. Ask for someone who knows how to make a system sound good, to please come over your house and show you what you keep doing wrong.

List where you live.. what town and state. Who knows?
I am in the UK. I doubt there is anybody here that is from there
Why are your posts always unsatisfactory? What is going on here?


The OP postulated that anyone on this board is here because 

“You are clearly looking to achieve higher sound quality that you do not currently have.”

A nonsense generalization. I am not chasing any goals at this point but-  1- I enjoy reading this stuff as there are multiple paths to sonic happiness; 2- if I can offer a few useful words, that’s great; 3- reading diverse opinions is interesting; 4- and some of this stuff is highly comical, often without such intent 
No I agree,
I've heard dozens of speakers past 40 years,, most add coloration, while others add too much warmth, even *wooliness*. 
Some are actuallly muddy, if you can believe that.
Big speakers have never impressed me, I'll  be straight up honest,,even before I actually hear the speaker,,i ck out how its made, driver facing,,, sort of like readinga  persons character just seeing how he dresses, body movements.

anyway,  just uploaded another vid on my new Thor xovers,, I'd ike you to hear Sophie Milman's vocals on this track. 
Man I'm telling you, this Thor with Mundorf xovers, really has opened up in all areas. 
I have other videos explaining more in detail, as to how the Mundorf's opened up the Seas Excel drivers.
...Ok back on track, 
speakers area  key component in any high fidelity system. Get that right 1st , top priority,,then work around the speaker, 
Speaker 1st, amp 2nd. 
So yes i agree with OP. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQqC8z1v1E0
Thinking about this thread some more, a question comes to mind.

With local audio dealers disappearing the past 25 years, and nowhere for folks to go and listen in person in remote places - are some people blindly buying speakers over the internet, crossing their fingers, and hoping it works?
I'm very happy with my speakers, system, & room. I come here to learn how to be a better human being.