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what are you doing on this forum if you are satisfied with your system? You are a frequent visitor on this forum. You are clearly looking to achieve higher sound quality that you do not currently have.
What? Are you really trying to say speakers are the only way to achieve higher quality sound? Someone can't be perfectly happy with their speakers and come here to learn about other things? Or be happy with their speakers and just want to learn how to get more out of them?
"The vast majority of audiophiles spend decades or even their entire life searching for speakers that sound right. All of us on this forum are searching for that perfect sound. You would think that out of all the different speakers out there, there would be one that meets a persons requirements. So why are most audiophiles rarely satisfied?
There are literally hundreds of speakers on the market. Surely one of those would very closely match the preferred frequency response being sought, so what is going on here?"
Mechanical (physical) signal processing tends to be far less accurate than its electrical (atomic) equivalent.
Hence loudspeakers exhibit many many times more distortion than the rest of the components (cables, pre amps, power amps, CD players, DACs, network devices, streamers etc) all added together.
Most of us realise that no loudspeaker sounds like real life. They all try to fool us into believing that we are listening to a real performance, but we can always tell that we're not.
It's accepted that there is no such as a perfect loudspeaker and all of them to some degree or another attempt to hide their sonic deficiencies.
All of them.
Some even jettison the entire bass end of the frequency, whilst others deliberately lower resolution to avoid further exposing their own weaknesses.
So it's hardly surprising that they're not altogether satisfactory. However since we audiophiles all desire greater sonic satisfaction, we keep on looking for incremental improvements and hopefully learning something along the way.
As far as I know no one has ever attempted to build a perfect loudspeaker, and who knows what would it even look like?
Can you imagine a single point, omni-directional, full bandwidth design with zero distortion?
Is even this £200k+ effort from MBL getting anywhere near?
I don’t find that true , synergy with the rest of your system is key
and I allways upgrade the Xover in all my speakers for even better sonic performance . Many people all very happy I own Amphion
very good point sourse speakers and room friendly
i have owned many very good speakers from stats planers
monitors to floor standers each one does specific things well .
your budget and what speakers go best with you amplifier or sonic requirements takes sometimes several tries before betting an ideal mix .you can get too discouraged,I sold audio for years
system synergy is most important ,you have to describe exactly what you have for a system, your room , and what specific sonics you are looking for ,unless you have $20 k + for a reference speaker,every thing is a compromise .
I can't speak for others, but would guess that most are satisfied with their speakers. But that doesn't mean we're not on the lookout for something better.You cant have it both ways. Either you are happy or you are not. Which is it? As you point out most people are on the lookout for something better precisely because there is something wrong with what they already have.
kenjit OP Why are speakers rarely satisfactory?More to the point why are many rooms never satisfactory. And why my main stereo room (man cave) is purpose built, I couldn't give a ratz **** about the HT family room.
As speakers are usually measured to be as flat as they can be by manufacturers, none go out of their way to make them non-flat. But rooms can be all over the place.
Why are you fixated on speakers being the problem?
There are many more parts an audiophile needs to address, to extract music that is agreeable.
Also note that each person hears differently so one person’s “perfect sound” may not be appreciated as such by someone else.
I think you need to broaden your mind. 🇦🇺
Being an Audiophile I have had every type of speaker made out of curiosity ,
pit seems as I stated earlier your amplifier too has a lot to do what will sound best with a specific speaker type . And seeing all these great new speakers
my brother has a small store in gear and $40 k or more in speakers .
which makes my system pale in compare .,and my system sounds pretty respectable ,I guess being an Audiophile if $$ allows at some point allways striving to get better .for myself having spent more then a nice home on audio
over 40 years , would spend 6 figures on a audio system if I had the $$.
thst being said getting older ,I am blessed for and thankful for what I have .
some people have $2k for a system and happy to have that.
as a kid I had My first audio system for $1200 ,and I was thrilled. System synergy
is what counts .i used to buy what was rated in the magazines class A or B and think everything would sound great , Nope, trial error and experience.
back even 10 years ago there were 3x the Audiostores to listen and get help
now much rarer which is a shame online buying and hope it sounds good .
these forums can be very good like the guy who started this thread.if they said what they were looking for ,and what their current system is they could get some sound advise.
"...I've changed my hair style, so many times now, I don't know what I look like!" (D. Byrne, Talking Heads, 'Life During Wartime')
You do realize that repeating the same (experiment, routine, process, etc.) and expecting a different result....has a name for that desire?
Especially when the result is essentially the same?
Kenjit....you might, at least, formulate a novel and new approach to your query and astound us all. As of now, you've become a 'locked groove' in the LP of your reality thats' worn through to the platter...*sigh*
'Diamonds and Rust', anyone?
@sjeesjie, on the face of it, yes. But it, and variations of it, get posed frequently. And Absolutely NO Answer or comment satisfies the query.
To the extent of many pages, and to the frustration and ill will of the responders....
I'm trying to very diplomatic about this....you might look into previous forums for a hysterical, I mean, Historical 'education'.
Welcome to skool.... ;)
’I’m probably the only one but I thought it was a good question.’
Fear not, it is a certainly a good question, and one that needs an answer. No amount of derision can alter that fundamental point.
Anyone is free to respond if they feel they have something worthwhile to contribute.
That’s what forums are for aren’t they? Asking questions and looking for answers, instead of surreptitious attempts to steer currency toward the path of various financial parties.
It’s probably the key question for anyone new to audio to be asking before mistakenly embarking on a futile lifelong pursuit.
When I first got into audio I was repeatedly led to believe that the Linn Isobarik was the bees knees.
Imagine my shock and disappointment when I finally got to hear a pair. Where are they now, the 1980s so-called best speakers in the world?
Now had I somehow bought a pair without listening first, unlikely as it would have been on a students income, I might have been tempted to visit some of those ’journalists’ in person to demand an explanation.
Being an Audiophile I have had every type of speaker made out of curiosity ,
Man o man, you must be skilled. And, those would have to be very tiny speakers you made. Not much material to work with, as...
Importantly, how did you get the rover back from Mars?
(just kidding, said the grammer nazzie....)
Because your room is garbage. OK, not literally, but it imposes its character on whatever speakers you use, no matter how good.
Dipoles are less vulnerable to this, owing to the figure 8 radiation pattern, especially in the bass.
Having an acoustician design your listening room, or at least add room treatments to your existing room, is likely the best upgrade you can make to your system, with one exception.
Digital room correction is a godsend. I use the open-source MathAudioRoomEQ because it's free and easy to set up. Having used it, I would rather quit listening to music through speakers than go w/o it. There are, of course, better methods.
Failing that, give up on speakers and use headphones.
The OP postulated that anyone on this board is here because
“You are clearly looking to achieve higher sound quality that you do not currently have.”
A nonsense generalization. I am not chasing any goals at this point but- 1- I enjoy reading this stuff as there are multiple paths to sonic happiness; 2- if I can offer a few useful words, that’s great; 3- reading diverse opinions is interesting; 4- and some of this stuff is highly comical, often without such intent
No I agree,
I've heard dozens of speakers past 40 years,, most add coloration, while others add too much warmth, even *wooliness*.
Some are actuallly muddy, if you can believe that.
Big speakers have never impressed me, I'll be straight up honest,,even before I actually hear the speaker,,i ck out how its made, driver facing,,, sort of like readinga persons character just seeing how he dresses, body movements.
anyway, just uploaded another vid on my new Thor xovers,, I'd ike you to hear Sophie Milman's vocals on this track.
Man I'm telling you, this Thor with Mundorf xovers, really has opened up in all areas.
I have other videos explaining more in detail, as to how the Mundorf's opened up the Seas Excel drivers.
...Ok back on track,
speakers area key component in any high fidelity system. Get that right 1st , top priority,,then work around the speaker,
Speaker 1st, amp 2nd.
So yes i agree with OP.