Why According to some Turntable extremists Pitch Control and Direct Drive is Sacrilege?

Dear @alexberger :  """  Why studios and radio stations that have enough money bought EMT that where 2 times more expansive?  """

in reality that's unimportant because at the end the EMT design still is a broadcasting design to fulfill the broadcasting needs but certainly not for the expert audiophiles/music lovers.

Now, I'm not in love with the Technics SP10MK2 that was designed to a price point for broadcasting job not for audiophiles where it needs a lot of tweaks to perfoms decent.

But exist other broadcasting TT design coming from Denon the DP-100 and its studio version is way more expensive than the Technics and maybe  that the EMT and several radio stations bougth it.
But the DP 100 home version is better unit that any of the Technics including the MK3 and does not needs any tweak.

As I told you I had the opportunity to listen to two different EMT models and I already posted that specs can't tell us the whole history. I'm not judging by specs, not this time.

DD/idler drive have not the exclusive for a rigth quality level performance.
Rockport made DD and belt drive and Goldmund was belt drive but the today NVS is DD but the MS statement SZ-1 is belt drive and I know and agoner that own it and is the Lyra cartridge designer @jcarr and he can put true " ligth " on this outstanding MS unit.

In the other side DD designs are used/using in the cutting michenes because it needs very high torque and speed stability but this kind of work is way different of what we audiophiles need at home. You or me or any one do not need that very high torque.

You are entilted with your EMT but that does not means it's a top audiophile TT because it's not, it's what you like and that's all.

Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R

Dear @alexberger : I had no " true " experiences qith your Notthingham TT but I listened the EMT 939 and 950 a studio room. I can say nothing to die for, just another TT.

Btw, 948 at least in specs is even worst than the 950, at least in w&f with 0.75%

Now, as I said all depends of the room/system quality level whole set up.

In the other way your firends references are only that references of what kind of " distortions " like more.

EMT as Technics or Denon are very well regarded TTs that were designed for radio stations/broadcasting that between other things works inside limited frequency range and in those old times the radio stations whole equipment was of " bad " quality " performance against 20 years latter on.

That EMT tonearm only degrades the cartridge signal is not up to the task of the quality level a true expert audiophile is asking for and neither the TT it self.

Your flute friend could be a reference if he is a true expert audiophile that understand the room/system limitations. Additional a musician normally " suffer " of higher ears damages that the ones are not musicians. Nort only for the high SPL he was and is exposed but that frequency range of the flute instrument that sooner or latter makes a heavy ears listening degradation.

What I like or you like is our own privilege and it’s not under questioning but what we like does not means we are " rigth " because we can be wrong !


""" home market equipment made today in garage is designed by mediocre engineers, who don’t have enough education and talent to work in Hi-Tech . """

very harsh statement for say the least.

I will give you some examples that are facts that your statement is untrue:

remember Goldmund smal company? well was founded by physics students ia a " garage " and after a while they put in the market an even today statement TT item: the Goldmund Reference. Even today very hard to beat and certainly not by EMT vintage units.

Not many years ago A.payor marketed another today statement TT: the Rockport Sirius that you or me only can dream to own it. Well, was another kind of " garage " item.

Another is the today great TT designed by @jtinn : NVS by Wave Kinetics that according your explanation is a " garage " item.

By coincidence @mikelavigne owned the Rockpot unit and owns the NVS and I hope he can has the time to chime about. I can't be sure rigth now but if I remember  @mikelavigne owned the Goldmund Reference too ! ?

I’m totally sure that no one of those designers are " mediocre " engineers as you posted.


""" professional audio equipment is state of art of German engineering and better than any equipment designed and made in Japan . ""

state of the art engennering does not belongs to any country in exclusive way.

In the elctronics industry Matushita is the biggest tech group in the world and it’s a japanese enterprise where Technics belongs.

The Technics EPA 100MK2 tonearm is still today state of the art piece of enginnering with ( even today tonearm designs. ) uniques in the whole audio analog industry like the build material used: Boron, like the unique damping mechanism, like that very low bearing friction of lower than 5mg when in your beloved EMT tonearm goes to 50mg: is this one your state of the art engineering?

very harsh statements you posted with no single foundation or facts that serve as foundation of it.

I respect your opinion but totally disagree.

Btw, do you know that if I.Newton does not existed E=mc2 does not existed neither?


We live in an universal world.

Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.


PS.: What do you think of this japanese TT design? do you think can compete with your germany items or even better which german TT do you thik outperforms it and why?:


http://www.thevintageknob.org/micro_seiki-SZ-1.html

Dear @alexberger : As the Sp10MK2 the EMT 950 was designed for studio/radio stations of those old times and designed to fulfill the studio/radio stations needs.

One of those needs was that the TTs been ready for a roughly/hard 7/24 kind of work with out almost no maintenance and with very fast start/stop function.

But those " machines " truly fulfill an audiophile needs ? certainly not.

All SP10MK2 owners ( including me. ) already made several changes in those TTs because were not designed thinking in home audio systems.

In the case of the 950 even its specs are not something  extraordinary but very similar to a mid or low-fi belt drive units with  speed stbility  around +,- 0.1%, w&f  0.05% and around 70db in signl to noise rtio. The Technics has better specs but specs does not says the whole " history ".
Additional to that the 959 included tonearm is a balanced design where the VTF set through a "ringing/resonant " spring tension that at studio/radio stations no one cares about because in that kind of job they were not looking for the penultimate quality listening level performance that it is what a true expert audiophile is looking for.

I owned two true audiophile tonearms balanced designs that did not comes with that normal string tension mechanism: the MS MAX 282 and the Lustre GST 801, both true audiophile items designed for the home audio system needs.

I posted before that a good audio system set up/build mainly belongs to the audiophile/owner knowledge levels and skills before money and of course that if that audiophile has the rigth knowledge levels and skills along more money then he can improve the overall home/room audio system quality performance.

I own both drive TT designs and for me rhythm is as important as for you and I can tell you that with DD or BD I achieve  a very good rhythm levels.

That characteristic does not belongs in exclusive to any TT drive system and depends on each one of us quality level set up.

Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.

"  to understand that man attitude :"". NO, to understand from whom and where comes the posts and no willing to learn attitude.

R.

and with very low knowledge levels...

R.

Dear @has2be  : Normally before I write any post to give an answer/opinion to any Agoner first than all I make a fast research to know whit whom I'm talking: is a troller and audiophile or a music lover or " every thing ". I try to know his answers in other threads and his own audio system and many other things.

You already gave very good answers to than person whom not only to you but to any one he just " don't listen " and does not cares to listen any one even that he never have tigth facts or gave explanations other that " numbers/specs " with out explaining those " numbers "  means and how affects our listening experiences,  all the time bla, bla bla, etc. and nothing more, he owns a true mediocre home audio systems where he can's be aware almost of nothing really that can help to any one of us but he always posts " thousands of pictures " that per sè explain nothing.
He  is more a very good photographer and web navegatotor than a true expert audiophile or music lover but the Agoners when looks those pictures/links and his bla, bla, bla thinks he is an " expert ": what a dissapoint about. His knowledge levels are really low.

He thinks is an expert on all audio/music subjects when it's not and far away from there, even never talks about MUSIC only hardware a mediocre hardware. 

Here it's his fabulous system that he thinks is a wide high resolution one and I'm not trying to diminsh it I only try to put things in the rigth " perspective " to understand that man attitude :

https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/60143835_2981928691825278_3694901072725278720_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_ht=scontent-arn2-1.xx&oh=1dc571c08ec4ba0823c8e4a5716c85aa&oe=5D6210FA

the system has many weaks but one terrible are those metal mats in the TTs. It's the worst place to use metal and this man is using in  both TTs and he is extremely satisfied with. Metal is an enemy in analog but in direct contact with the LP is the worst one place.
In other threads I posted the why's about and I don't will post again here, is only an example of what is wrong ( between several other " things ". ).

A good quality performance audio system depends not of money but first than all to knowledge levels to builded. There exist not the rigth knowledge levls.


""" 
Because everything sound dynamic with high efficient speakers, better with full range paper drivers    """



that/his statement speaks very clear and is a true fact that proves all what I posted before.
That statement is totally ABSURD for say the least and makes no sense at all.

When some one like that man thinks that our listening experiences sound dynamic through " efficient speakers " means that persons understand nothing about dynamic sound and where really belongs that " sound dynamic ".

Ribbons normally are non-efficieny/low sensitivity speakers and the sound dynamic can be just glorious, same with electrostatic speakers or any other of speakers design type and certainly that the drivers does not needs to be " full range paper drivers " .
 Exist " thousands of speakers where drivers are builded with differents materials than paper and that are just extraordinary as no one single paper driver speakers and certainly not a full range driver that per sè has a very high FIM distortion.

Btw, I listened to those Zu audio spekers that are designed by  a  truly              " idiosincratic "  designer and the speakers performs in the same way, not only that the overall idiosyncratic development goes deep through the speakers cables and the amp that the designer choosed: First Watt class D one.
I heard with the FW and with  a XA Pass amps, idiosyncratic as it's the XA makes a better job with out doubt.

His posts are full of no sense statements or with very knowledge levels on almost any audio/music subjects.

I can go on and on with several examples as the one about " efficinte " but it's totally useless because not only he just is not willing to learn but he in reality can't learn because his full human been limitations and in the other side it does not helps to any one but to know whom relly he is.

Just my opinion. 

Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.

Dear @vinny55 :  """  Turntable extremists ?  ""

Please name 2-3 Agoner's or reviewers or distributors or TT manufacturers that say what you write in the OP title.

R.