Who thinks $5K speaker cable really better than generic 14AWG cable?


I recently ordered high end speaker, power amp, and preamp to be installed in couple more weeks. So the next search are interconnect and speaker cable. After challenging the dealer and 3 of my so called audiophile friends, I think the only reason I would buy expensive cable is for its appearance to match with the high end gears but not for sound performance. I personally found out that $5K cable vs $10 cable are no difference, at least not to our ears. Prior to this, I was totally believe that cable makes a difference but not after this and reading few articles online.

Here is how I found out.

After the purchase of my system, I went to another dealer to ask for cable opinion (because the original dealer doesn't carry the brand I want) and once I told him my gears, he suggested me the high end expensive cable ranging from $5 - 10K pair, depending on length. He also suggested the minimum length must be 8-12ft. If longer than 12ft, I should upgrade to even more expensive series. So I challenged him that if he can show me the difference, I would purchase all 7 AQ Redwood cables from him.

It's a blind test and I would connect 3 different cables - 1 is the Audioquest Redwood, 1 is Cardas Audio Clear, and 1 my own generic 14AWG about 7ft. Same gears, same source, same song..... he started saying the first cable sound much better, wide, deep, bla...bla...bla......and second is decently good...bla...bla...bla.. and the last one sounded crappy and bla...bla...bla... BUT THE REALITY, I NEVER CHANGED THE CABLE, its the same 14AWG cable. I didn't disclosed and move on to second test. I told him I connected audioquest redwood but actually 14AWG and he started to praise the sound quality and next one I am connected the 14awg but actually is Redwood and he started to give negative comment. WOW!!!! Just blew me right off.

I did the same test with 3 of my audiophile friends and they all have difference inputs but no one really got it right. Especially the part where I use same generic 14awg cable and they all start to give different feedback!!!

SO WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK? OR I AM THE LAST PERSON TO FIND OUT THAT EXPENSIVE CABLE JUST A RIP OFF?
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Showing 18 responses by grannyring

Yes the Duelund wire at $10 meter bests all the big dollar cable I have heard and owned over the years. Folks you must try this stuff and you will sell your high dollar cables. At least many of you will. 16 gauge stranded and tinned copper wire in oil impregnated cotton. Made like the Western Electric NOS wire from the 60s and 70s only better! Parts Connextion is the place to buy it. Amazing wire for ICs, speaker cable, hook-up wire...

Please do not use connectors on the speaker cable and simply use the bare wire. It is tinned and will not oxidize. You will smile big 😁


Jayctoy, kimchi impregnated cotton is also on trend but will most likely give way to Peruvian chili oil impregnating.  
Actually good builders test the sound of various wire both in the power supply and low voltage circuits. The type of wire used changes the sound just has various types of connectors, capacitors, and resistors do. When I build I also test wire and have spend a few hundred dollars on great sounding wire in point to point wired tube amps. The wire used certainly makes a difference. But, to have knowledge of this you must have actually taken the time to listen to different wire in the circuit/amp and that takes quite an effort. Most designers don't make this effort and operate under the assumption all good wire, in spec for the job at hand, sounds the same. They are wrong as many of us know. 

Can we all agree wire cannot obtain the sonic pot of gold? It is part of a complete that  when well matched can get you closer. But no, wire alone cannot do it. Can we also agree that wire types can sound different? Hoping to reach something we can mostly agree with.
Cary Rocket88r.   Used. Owned the Dynaco and it is fine sounding once modified and updated. However the Cary is far better in my set-up anyway. 


I like the ST70 and MK4 Dyna monos a lot and have had and modded both. I also modded the Cary Rocket 88r and it really is very special. When I say mod I am referring to better parts quality and replacing suspect parts due to age. 

The Cary can be had for $1000 -$1200 used and is a superb value. The Dynaco amps were a lot of fun for sure. I liked the MK 4 monos a little more than the ST70, but both were nice.
Well I love this site and have been very active selling, buying, and posting. I like reading geoffkait's comments as I find him both humorous and well educated on many matters important to this site. 

He certainly does not need my backing, but it is in all of our best interests to hear a wide variety of opinion and knowledge. His humor is just nice icing on the tolerance cake.  
Sure, what about all the miles and miles of cable bringing power into the gear ahead of the capacitors, output transformers, resistors, tubes etc... in our gear. Surely none of these parts can make a difference? Of coarse that power cord, that high quality output tranny, those NOS tubes, that high end resistor etc.. all make a difference regardless of the miles of wire ahead of it. Sure the quality of the wire in those output transformers and inside the gear also makes a difference. It all makes a difference! This is audio hobby 101 stuff and we need to go beyond milk and into solid food. Time for some baby audio enthusiasts to move into deeper matters and leave the bottle. 
Building gear is like a chef cooking at creating in a kitchen. Different combinations of ingredients yield different results. When I build or mod tube gear I learned this first hand. Changing out wire, caps, resistors, diodes, layout, trannys etc... all influence the end sound. The art of it is choosing the ingredients (parts) that deliver the sound one desires. All gear has a flavor, no doubt about it. How the soup tastes, the gear sounds, is a net result of both the parts chosen and design/recipe.  Use cheap spices, get a different result in the soup and in the gear. 
@dynaquest4. Your post is interesting to me. Since you have no idea if your claim is true or false, as you have no proof, your comment is more a reflection of an intolerance towards views and experiences differing from your own. Goodness we are all so guilty of this today - myself included.  I do wish we could all respect opposing views and experiences without distain, anger, and condeming judgement. Must we revile differing audio experiences and beliefs? If we continue to assume the worst in others, then we really leave no room for healthy discourse and learning.
@geoffkait 

I most likely have not given enough time and effort to wire directionality.  Goodness with all the sonic changes with burn in alone I guess I was too lazy to test for direction. I assume I can just test for the more pleasing sound directionally first and then just it burn in after.  You have peaked my interest enough to start playing with direction.