Which Tekton???


I am running an Outlaw 2160, Fluance RT85, and Schiit Modi 3 currently into Elac debut 1.0 speakers. I have gotten a bonus and have around 2K to spend and really like what I have heard review wise from Tekton. I have looked at other brands (vander, klipsch, JBL, Elac, Zu, ETC) and for the money seems like Tekton is the way to go. Being in OKC I have no places to audition speakers so I am choosing by youtube reviews, reading here, reading online about room acoustics and general research. With my budget I trying to decide between the Perfect set 10 and Electron which is a smaller version of the double impact. Also I am mainly rock no jazz or classical. Thanks in advance for guidance.
dlongj75
I think that the Perfect SET is going to be more coherent and a better choice overall. Simpler is better.
The Perfect SET is designed specifically for low power SET amps. If you call Eric he will almost certainly recommend the Electron as a better match for your amp and listening. Just looking at them and knowing how they work (I have Moabs https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/tekton-design-moab-2 ) the Electron with its 4" midbass drivers will have better mid-bass than the SET. But seriously, give Eric a call. The man knows his speakers.
I believe that you would be nappy with either speaker. You only need one. I agree with the rationale of Roxy54. The pure simplicity of the Perfect SET is very alluring. Owners word of mouth satisfaction is consistently high.
Charles
Thanks all for the input. I ended up buying the Perfect set 10. The Electrons seemed really enticing but I used the price difference to buy a marantz 6006 CD player. That will round out my system for the near future.
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Primarily cost based and I didnt get with Eric. I watched the review of the set 10 by Steve Guttenberg on his sight and read up on both. I honestly don't think either is a bad choice. 
Seems like on paper the Electron would be a better match with your amp.  Your amp delivers 165 wpc into 4 ohms.  The price difference isn't that much between the Perfect SET and Electron ($1,800 vs $2,250) looking at their website.

Obviously either speaker will "work".  And if it doesn't I see they offer a 60-day return policy.
The Perfect SET 10 is a good choice for amps with more power per the website.I remember reading the SET w/15" woofer is recommended for SET amps.
 Congrats and enjoy!
"The Perfect SET can be driven by low-power SET and high-power transistor amps with equal success and it's small enough to fit into many acoustic spaces."
You will be very happy with your choice.  The SET 10 Will complement the music you enjoy very nicely indeed.
But seriously, give Eric a call. The man knows his speakers.
I really like the idea of being able to talk to the manufacturer first so he (or she) can not only make a suggestion of speaker, but if you prefer a specific speaker only - be able to more finely ’tune’ that speaker to the spes of you rig and your (upgrades) wants. To me that’s just more added value IMHO of course.

Chuck,
I had no idea just how good the Tannoy speaker line is. It seems to me they are the ’holy grail’ of speakers. And you sold yours to purchase the Moabs...That tells me a heck of alot about the Tekton line and then some.
You should join the Tekton FB group and ask if any of the members are in the OKC area...You'd be surprised. PLUS, it's a great group of folks...If someone is reasonably close to you, I'm SURE you'd get an invite to audition a pair! Good luck!
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tyray,
He actually sold Talons to buy the Tektons...very different!
Why would anyone except for MC make a decision on what to buy talking to the owner or salesman of a company? Do you think they are going to tell you the better product is from someone else?
Also, look at the latest stereophile mag’s recommended component section, a $2000 pair
 of tekton’s was listed with excessive bass and overrated efficiency, not a good review IMO. It was also listed in the same group as some $600 speakers that more favorable reviews.
@rox54,

Thank you for the correction. I made a mistake. I guess that makes me human.

Why would anyone except for MC make a decision on what to buy talking to the owner or salesman of a company?
p05129

Ahh yes, and here we go. This is where p05129 wants me or someone else and take the bait, and add something negative to the op’s post. In the words of GDub the first, ’not gonna do it’.

I have read hundreds of posts where buyers of hi-fi gear have taken the opportunity to talk to owners of any particular brand of gear.

In fact many buyers of hi-fi gear have made the decision NOT to buy from a particular manufacture because the owner was rude (such as yourself) or didn’t even take the time to return a call or email from a prospective buyer.

Last I checked, this is a thread about Tekton gear and when talking to the owner Eric you CAN specify the use of Clarity caps vs what other caps he has in stock and the same when specifying inductors a buyer can spec Jantzen inductors vs whatever else he may have in stock at the time.

And there are many other upgrades you can specify to Eric. Lastly, Eric requests that you CALL him as it is his preference to talk to the prospective BUYER.

Chuck,
I know you have your haters here and maybe sometimes you can get a little abrasive, but this is not one of those times. So please accept my apologies for confusing Tannoy’s with Talon’s and bringing out the hater(s) here.

Tyray - This is who I am - I’m not hiding behind some moniker.
@rox54 & @charles1dad

The pure simplicity of the Perfect SET is very alluring. Owners word of mouth satisfaction is consistently high.

I think that the Perfect SET is going to be more coherent and a better choice overall. Simpler is better.
Are your recommendations based on the fact of having a SET tube amplifier powering the Perfect SET?

Just curious as my next amplifier upgrade will be Solid State and I really had my eye on the Electron SE and not the Direct Impact (which is the same price), because of its size.

Thanks 
Hi Tyray, 
I based my opinion on the fact that the Perfect SET (PS) is a 2 way design (1 crossover) and in contrast the Electron is a 4 way design per Tekton.  
Yes the PS was made to be able to  pair with low power SET amplifiers . In addition  Tekton clearly says it can handle up to 300 watts of power and will work very well with high power solid state amplifiers. 

Generally speaking I'd choose the 2 way versus a 4 way design due to the simpler crossover.  I suspect this is what roxy54 was referring to as well. Again in summary I believe that both speakers would match well with the OP's solid state amplifier. I like simplicity when possible 😊.
Charles 
As an owner or Double Impacts and a listener of rock music myself, I would go with the Electrons. Mid bass, and especially drums would be better through two 4 inch drivers and two 8 inch drivers than the SET in my opinion.
Hi Rushfan71,
That’s a valid point in regard to the Electron and why I feel either speaker has its own specific advantages to tout. For example the Perfect SET is an 8 ohm speaker load and the Electron is a 4 ohm load. Ralph (Atmasphere) has pointed out numerous times on this forum that amplifiers produce less distortion when driving the higher impedance load. He says this applies to both tube and solid state amplifiers.

So it seems that strong cases can be made individually for either Tekton model. No bad choices here, just depends on what one places a higher importance/priority on regarding the specific  differences between the two.
Charles
Tyray- do you think Eric is going to say “my whatever sounds like sh$t”? No. Tekton has many models and I’m sure Eric will say 1 of many would fit your needs, same as any other manufacturer. Any salesman will try to talk you into their product and would never send you down the road to buy someone else’s 
I predict the new speakers may highlight weaknesses in your system. Not a bad thing but you will be looking to improve things up the chain.

Generally speaking I'd choose the 2 way versus a 4 way design due to the simpler crossover. I suspect this is what roxy54 was referring to as well. Again in summary I believe that both speakers would match well with the OP's solid state amplifier. I like simplicity when possible 😊.
Charles

That is what I meant. Thanks Charles
So much anger here. LOL

I think Tyray is going with the idea if I have already decided I'm buying Tekton (which I had) that Eric might help me better choose a set of speakers that fit my needs.

I am no expert and Eric did design each speaker with a set of specific perimeters in mind. When i choose the Perfect Set 2-10 I did not realize it was specifically built for low power tube amps. I was a little confused by the reading on it as it I have seen it used for both. Also lets be honest I am still new in the Audiophile world and I dont have unlimited cash flow.  I do have pretty good Wife acceptance though. She is supportive of my music listening.  She is a financial analyst so if I stick to the budget we are good.  The Perfect SET 2-10 looked really cool and seemed to fit what I wanted to pair my system with so that is what I went with. Also I was being a little impatient and should have waited until this thread populated more to get a better consensus. 

That all being said I have sent an email to Tekton to make sure I didn't miss the boat and maybe the Enzo Xl or the Electron would be the better fit. 
I don't own Tekton speakers ... I own Joseph Audio Pulsars. Before I purchased them, I spoke to Jeff Joseph, the designer of the Pulsars. I was seriously considering the more expensive Perspectives, but Jeff told me he thought the Pulsars would be a better fit for my small room. Now, Jeff could have just sold me higher priced speakers, but he didn't. He actually came to my home to set up the Pulsars and reiterated that the Perspectives would not have been right for my room.

The point of this story is that it is usually a good idea to speak to the designer/manufacturer of the speakers in order to get an idea as to whether they are right for you and your room application. I think it's great that one can call Tekton and speak with Eric about the product. IMHO, manufacturers with integrity won't try to push their product on you, and will work with you to ensure that you get the right product in their line for your intended use.
@dlongj75 If you have just placed your order within the last week you should have no problem changing speakers if you want to.

If it was me and had your decision to make I might go with the Electron SE or Electron, if I had the amp to power them, or thought I would in the future. However, the 8 vs 4 ohm difference is there. But, as you can tell from the above responses, no one seems to have heard both, and only a couple seem to have heard either.

I would discuss this frankly with Eric.
@dlongj75,
Hey I’m learning too! I just try to sound like I know what I’m talking about! Hah!

For example the Perfect SET is an 8 ohm speaker load and the Electron is a 4 ohm load. Ralph (Atmasphere) has pointed out numerous times on this forum that amplifiers produce less distortion when driving the higher impedance load. He says this applies to both tube and solid state amplifiers.
@ charles1dad,
Which is the higher impedance load? 8 ohms or 4 ohms?
Doesn’t the 4 ohm load make an amp produce double the watts per channel than it would at 8 ohms? Which would equal more headroom?  

I spoke with Steve Guttenberg about the Outlaw 2160 and he concurred that the 2160 would more than drive the 4 ohm load of the Electron. The amp will do 120 ish per channel @ 8ohm and 167 ish @ 4ohms
So I didnt answer your question... The 4 ohm load requires the amp to "push" more current (wrong terms?) but it is a heavier load at 4 ohm than 8 ohms. Amps that are rated at 4ohms tend to have a larger power supply and heat sinks to compensate for the extra load.  
Chuck,
I know you have your haters here and maybe sometimes you can get a little abrasive, but this is not one of those times. So please accept my apologies for confusing Tannoy’s with Talon’s and bringing out the hater(s) here.


tyray, They're not my haters, they're just haters. And never apologize for doing nothing wrong. Haters gonna hate. Its just their way. All you did was make a simple mistake, which as you said only makes you human. To the haters that's just one more thing to hate. Despicable people. They owe us all an apology. 

Not you. Not me. Them. They owe us all an apology. 

dlongj75, Far as I can tell Tekton has the biggest line of consistently outperforming speakers, period. Eric has crossed the Rubicon into a new frontier of speaker design. They are technologically way more advanced than they seem, but thanks to his professional musician background playing gigs he has a "get it done" practicality. No wonder all his speakers resemble the boxes roadies push around all day. That's a compliment not a knock, and almost exactly what I told him on the phone one time- and he enthusiastically agreed!  

He's developed all these models with his incredible creativity. Because there are so many there are a lot that overlap somewhat. Like the Enzo and Perfect SET. One is tailored to flea watt amps, but able to handle plenty of power. The other is tailored to more powerful amps, but efficient enough to work with flea watt amps. They all are. Look around, there are people with Moabs, and Ulfs, extremely happy running them with a handful of watts.  

So in Erics world there's all these options. You really can't go wrong and in fact the biggest mistake you are likely to make is wishing you had bought even more.  

Unless you luck out and order some that are already made there's no rush. You'll probably have plenty of time to think, and Eric has been happy to change orders while keeping your place in line, so to speak. So relax, continue to do your research, and if and when you're ready, give the guy a call. It'll be worth it.  

For example, I agonized over the same 4ohms/8ohms thing with mine. Moabs can be built either way. All the advice from everyone here was 8 ohms. Heck even Duke LeJeune said 8 ohms! I called Eric. He said 8ohms sucks the life out of the sound, do you want 8 ohms or do you want the speaker that has won awards? 

Now here's the thing. Duke immediately said, oh well that's different. Go with the speaker designer. Because what Duke had said was "all other things being equal" which is what everyone here is saying. But all other things are NEVER equal! The designer knows this better than anyone. Duke being a designer knows this. 

That's just one very simple aspect of speaker design. Should be the easiest one to get right and EVERYONE (yes, everyone) here got it WRONG!

That is why you call Eric. 
This is from an Audio Circle thread in which whether the 4 ohm or 8 ohm Tekton was a better choice for my amplifier.
A poster on the thread reached out to Eric.

"Okay, I just talked to Tekton. They said "buy the 4 ohm speakers unless you’re running an 8 watt SET amplifier." They have to use different woofers on the 8 ohm model, and they feel they are inferior to the woofers they use on the 4 ohm model. With a push/pull amplifier with a 4 ohm tap, buy the 4 ohm model. Minimum impedance is 4 ohms. You’ll be fine with your amp(s)."

Straight from the horse’s mouth (second hand)

John
"Everyone here got it wrong" not really. An 8 ohm load is an easier speaker load to drive (And less distortion) compared to the lower 4 ohm which will demand more current. Now with the additional information provide here it is clear that Tekton specifically uses different parts/drivers that would favor the 4 ohm option in some circumstances.

Nonetheless there are Perfect SET speaker  owners who are very happy with these speakers. Reviewer Teajay (Terry London) said they are exceptionally good sounding with low and high power amplifiers (Tube and solid state in his system). No doubt feedback from the Tekton designer is worth seeking and would be valuable. I suspect he’d be enthusiastic regarding either model.

As has been stated by several posters on this thread, the OP in all likelihood would do quite well with either of the two Tekton choices.
Charles
let roll with what ya bought,save up and addsome subwoofer action later..2 at the very least amd you are golden
I would rather have the Electron, talk to Eric.
dlongj75,
I hope that you were not thinking that I was a hater for pointing out your error about Chuck's previous speakers. I was just correcting the error, not meaning to be unkind in any way.
Hi Tyray,
I based my opinion on the fact that the Perfect SET (PS) is a 2 way design (1 crossover) and in contrast the Electron is a 4 way design per Tekton.
@charles1dad,
That actually makes a lot of sense. My favorite speaker designer Henry Kloss would do the same thing.
let roll with what ya bought,save up and addsome subwoofer action later..2 at the very least amd you are golden
@axememan
Sound good to me, cause lets not forget that the Perfect Set 2-10 has 4 - count’em - 4, 10 inch (sub) woofers. That’s a lot of Funk. And if @dlongj75 decided to add 2 more subs later on, oh would he be ’set’. For a total of 6!

@dlongj75, I’m not sure but I think I read somewhere that the array crossover on the Perfect Sets are designed for the single, at the center array speaker to act as the tweeter. Very similar to the Tannoy speaker brand. And the other array speakers that form the circle of the array act as midrange speakers. I COULD BE WRONG. So please, ask Eric.

I think everyone here is right, you can’t go wrong with either the Perfect Set 2-10 or the Electron (SE).

Now for the upgrades, Clarity caps, Jantzen inductors, Beryllium (single) center array (tweeter) speaker,......
@tyray
Also @dlongj75, I read somewhere that the array crossover on the Perfect Sets are designed for the single, at the center array speaker to act as the tweeter.
I was thinking about this today.  I am not sure of the answer, just throwing this out there.  But I believe in all the "higher" speakers in the Tekton line that is the case, i.e., the middle speaker in the array is a tweeter.  But if the Perfect Sets are two way, not sure how that could be the case.  Wouldn't it need to be a three way speaker to have the middle array speaker be a true tweeter?
  







@jetter
I agree. That’s why it’s better to ask Eric. :) That guy must be some sort of mad scientist huh! But I wouldn’t be surprised if he could do it in a 3 way design. It may fall under the category of upgrades for the Perfect Sets cause some of the ’higher’ speakers in the Tekton line have that configuration and others have the added 4 inch and up midrange speaker (s) itself. Great thread.
The SET 10 is a three way design, not two way.  The electron is a 4 way.  A agree with Charles that simpler crossovers are often desirable.  A high parts count sucks the life out of a speaker.

The OP likes his rock.  My vote remains for the 4 ohm SET 10.  Those dual 10 inch woofers and simpler crossovers I suspect will be more dynamic and have greater impact than the Electrons.  See what Eric says.
Jetter,
You raise a good point regarding the driver array of the Perfect SET, this would suggest a 3 way rather than 2 way configuration. Could have sworn  that I read somewhere it’s a 2 way speaker. As many have noted, ask Eric he knows 😊. Interesting discussion and as tyray wrote, great thread.
Charles
Hi Corelli,
Saw your reply after I posted , yep, I believe you are right in that it's a 3 way design. Your rationale as related to Rock music is sound. Bigger woofers with the Perfect SET versus the Electrons two 4" mid bass driver addition. Fun topic.
Charles 
Without having heard either, I am just speculating.  But I would take the Electron over the Perfect Set any day.  Wouldn't you think that Eric has the 4 way crossover down pact?  And the Encore builds on the basic successful skeletal framework of the DI. I would think dual 8" woofers per speaker will give them plenty of slam for rock.  I'm surprised you don't see it this way.  JMHO
Its confusing because Eric uses multiple tweeters to cover ranges normally covered by a single midrange size driver. But no matter how many drivers look like tweeters, in every single case only one is truly working as a tweeter.

Essentially what happens is one is always a tweeter, and that is the only one with response extending to 20kHz. Then the more small drivers there are, the bigger the array, the lower it extends.

The Enzo is indeed a better choice for a guy with more power and who listens to rock, for exactly the reasons jetter said. However, they are all such good speakers I have a hard time believing he will be disappointed. Probably would take a side by side comparison to pick the Enzo, and maybe not by much even then.


dlongj75,
I hope that you were not thinking that I was a hater for pointing out your error about Chuck's previous speakers. I was just correcting the error, not meaning to be unkind in any way.

tyray,
He actually sold Talons to buy the Tektons...very different!


@rox54,
Thank you for the correction. I made a mistake. I guess that makes me human.


@rox54,
It was I that misspoke about Chucks speakers. You did no harm or foul at all. I'm glad you corrected me. Are you trying to let us know you are human too?😊  I appreciated all your input.
tyray,
All is well, and yes, I am certainly only human.
The OP likes his rock. My vote remains for the 4 ohm SET 10. Those dual 10 inch woofers and simpler crossovers I suspect will be more dynamic and have greater impact than the Electrons. See what Eric says.
@corelli
That’s the question I want the OP to ask Eric too! The Perfect Set, Perfect Set 15 on the website shows a 8 ohm spec and the Perfect Set 2-10 shows no ohm spec at all. But the Perfect Set 2-10 spec sheet does say this:
'Designed and optimized for all tube amplification rated between 12-120 Watts RMS.' 

I think a 4 ohm Perfect Set 2-10 would be killer if Eric could do it! @dlongj75, I hope you get back to us on this very question to Eric. 
@millercarbon, so many Tekton speakers.  I was thinking he should get the Electron speakers, not the Enzo speakers.  The Electrons truly look like scaled down Double Impacts.  Just smaller woofers and midranges, while the tweeter array seems almost identical to the DI.
@jetter The Electron is exactly a scaled down Double Impact. Tekton did in fact email me back and I will have a discussion tomorrow with them. They seem to have a lot of speakers that overlap in abilities. The Enzo XL, Set 2-10, set 15 , Electron, Pendragon, all seem to fit my needs. I saw a video that showed Eric explaining the 15 really was optimizer for low watt and had the bass dialed in specifically for low watt timing. He spoke about the how each piece was selected specifically for flea watt tube amps. Curious if ths 2-10 is the same or if it was developed differently. Ill report back what I learn.
Without having heard either, I am just speculating. But I would take the Electron over the Perfect Set any day. Wouldn’t you think that Eric has the 4 way crossover down pact? And the Encore builds on the basic successful skeletal framework of the DI. I would think dual 8" woofers per speaker will give them plenty of slam for rock. I’m surprised you don’t see it this way. JMHO
@jetter
 The Electron sensitivity spec: 95.0dB [email protected] sensitivity
The Electron SE sensitivity spec: 98.82dB [email protected] sensitivity
I would think he does have the 4 way crossover down pat. Doesn’t look like any wasted juice to me?



dlongj75,
I look forward to your follow up post after you’ve spoken with Eric. As has been pointed out above so many speaker models with seemingly much overlap (On paper). I’m curious as to what he recommends based on your specific objectives. Probably a half dozen legitimate contenders in the Tekton line up for you.
Charles
There is no doubt that Eric is a master of crossover design.  My 4 way DI's are seamless top to bottom.

Perhaps the only model clearly not suited would be the SET 15.  The others would all be in the running.

Keep in mind the sensitivity ratings of Tekton speakers are inflated.  My DI's are clearly way more efficient than my old Magnepans.  But not to the degree rated.  Nonetheless, they can be driven with great success by tube or SS designs, showing the virtues of each.

Complex crossovers, at least in theory, rob speakers of that intimate quality that we associate with live music.  That unfiltered, dynamic quality.  That is why some are so passionate about their full range drivers.

I know what those dual 10" woofers sound like and think they would serve his musical preferences very well.  They can move a lot of air.

But in the end we are all guessing.  On paper the SET 2-10 ought to really rock in the OP's system.  But until you actually listen, it's all speculation and fun discussion.

Eric is a straight shooter on comparing his speakers.  He won't steer you wrong.