Funny! I guess bass has no WAF. You just have to look harder.
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Why I design and manufacture my own loudspeakers, most loudspeakers available are designed as much by bean counters and to pass WAF as they are for performance. To pass bean counters small cab, easy to build and ship,small drivers again saves cost, for WAF small and a nice finish. So many audiophiles buy the costly wee loudspeakers hoping to get performance but also tying to get loudspeaker past she or he who must be obeyed.
Many of the older speakers didn't have bass, they had boom. Nothing wrong with boom - people love that stuff. Juke boxes are all boom and people love the sound. The better new speakers are meant to have pitch-accurate bass in that you can actually hear the notes the bass player is playing, as opposed to just hearing a rumble of something going on down there. Home theatre subs carry on the boom tradition and you can always add one to augment the sound of a modern high-end speaker as necessary.
Of course, bass is hugely dependent on the room-speaker interaction which can be controlled when building a listening room from scratch, but is often unpredictable in the normal domestic situation. If you still have the JBLs, I think you need to bring them to the dealer to compare side by side with your new choice to see if what you're hearing is due to the speaker or the room.
You should also check out the Cerwin Vega CLS-215 speakers REG reviewed in the March Absolute sound. 2 15" woofers and some horns. They have "some extra energy" below 300hz, which sounds like what you're looking for. And a grand to boot! Have fun.
To pass bean counters small cab, easy to build and ship,small drivers again saves cost, for WAF small and a nice finish. So many audiophiles buy the costly wee loudspeakers hoping to get performance but also tying to get loudspeaker past she or he who must be obeyed.
Ain't that the truth!! Frankly, I figure WAF is not just for Wives - lets be honest, for the majority of audiophiles, it is as much an aesthetic contest as it is about the sound. $300 dollar worth of drivers in $5000 of beautifully veneered coffins is where it is at. (Who cares if a single high quality woofer costs close to a $1000 when one can get magnolia veneer instead)
Sure many vintage are not so hi performing but some are like Altec JBL. I still use old altec drivers they test and sound better than most modern woofers till you get into the $1000 range. Im working on our new bass system with fostexs new 31.5in woofer. It will be very pretty but 5ft wide;) If you want bass thats not forced and can still plump the depths size matters.
I understand. It took me about 5 years with audiophile speakers to realize that I needed bassier sound to really enjoy listening to most of my music collection. I owned JBL 4311 control monitors in the 80s, and what I liked most about those fantastic speakers was the bass that could be felt and heard from the 12-inch woofers. Check out Vandersteens for full range speakers with good bass and refined high end.