It kills me when the Rappers call each other "Artists", that's just rich. Especially when so much of the music behind the rhymes are sampled from great R&B and Rock songs.
They can call each other, "Authors" of some pretty catchey and interesting lyric poetry, that I can handle, but don't call them a musical artist.
Crazy dude in Purple = Artist
Jay-Z = Social Poet (with incredibly hot wife, congrats on that dude) |
I don't think they are embraced at all, I think they are pushed on kids. Why is retro music so popular still? Because the record companies don't have a clue as to what people like any more.
We never listened to 20 yr old music in the late 70's to early 90's, like kids do now. We wanted something new, now they are just frantically searching for something good, so they end up looking back and saying, "Wow, The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, The Eagles, The Police, Elton John are all pretty good...." |
Darkmoebious, you are dead wrong on that. Be it Led Zeppelin, the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, or even Elvis Presley, all of the early rock 'artists' who with the exception of Elvis in that group, wrote their own songs, and my God PLAYED THEIR OWN INSTRUMENTS, gave huge credit to those whose music they were emulating.
Hollowing Wolf, Robert Johnson..... there are a ton of great blues ARTISTS who are revered, and rightly so, for their absolute greatness, and their role in the founding of Rock n Roll. You just need to read a little bit about the Rolling Stones, and especially Led Zeppelin, they all enthusiastically gave credit to their influences.
Also, they didn't just take their recordings, because they were not talented enough to play the music themselves, and write lyrics over them with a drum maching pumping out a bass line. Instead they took the music to a different direction and added their own slant on it, with songs written and played with the Blues as it's base influence.
Huge difference. |
Lawerence-Fishburne-Like-Named-Dude, that was mighty strong, I might say, excellent comeback!!
Also to BongoFury, I just re-read my last post, and that was a little (probably more than a little) uncalled for, sorry, bad post. I was out of line, just because I don't agree with you on something, I didn't need to go overboard. Once again, sorry about that, wish I could take it off. I made myself look like a little bit of an ass. |
He actually sued them over "Whole Lotta Love" and they settled it with him as soon as they found out about the suit, it was in the late 1980's. The reason it never went to court was their respect for him, and also the fact that the song does sound extremely similar to one of his songs from the early '50's which I can't remember the title of, but the opening riffs did sound incredibly similar to the bridge of Wille's song.
This is one of the incidents that I remember from Led Zep talking about thier influences because I saw an interview with Jimmy Page talking about the incident and his admiration for all of the Chess regards group, with special attention to Willie Dixon and Johnny Lee Hooker (was he at Chess?). |
Dark-"Dude from the Matrix"
I stand by my point, and it's still right on. You make it sound as though these bands denied the connection between themselves and the blues greats. They never did, that.
I never said they did not emulate or anything else, they worshipped these guys as their musical Gods, and my point, and I stand by it, was that they have always, always, given them credit as their main influences. |
No, Bong-futility runs the music business now, a 50 plus year old loser furiously holding onto a youth past who owns a few gentlman's clubs in the San Fernando valley makes him what we need.
You know the dude, the loser next to you college kid backstage passing stories about Jimmy and the good old day, then hanging trying to hang out on the fringe of the rap community by letting them have free lap-dances at his club.
Dude, I pity you, give it up, your not cool or hip, your a loser, grow up. |
Bongo-Furious, didn't mean to get in your pocket. Obviously from your very selective response you must deal with these people everyday. If you are/were involved in any of those "songs" you mention with Pdiddy/Mac/Combs/Daddy, I'm sorry you've obviously lost whatever musical talent you once possesed.
My point, which you in no way addressed, was that the statement Robert Plant from Led Zeppelin among others didn't acknowledge his/their predecessors was WAY off the mark, and I stand by that.
Be it Johnny Lee Hooker, Lead Belly, Koko Taylor, I had and have heard from many of those great rock bands and acts that these great blues artists were their influences.
Also, your dead wrong on current musical tastes too. You obviously don't see all of teenagers I do combing through record stores looking for 20+ year old music, and downloading all sorts of songs from my youth, that's why new music sales are way down. At least that what the Wall Street Journal, and many of the mainstream media outlets say. We never checked out old music as teenagers, we only were interested in new music, admittedly some of it sucked, but we wanted to be on the cutting edge. Current kids do that because what is shoved down their throats by the music biz now, which you seem to be in by your admission is currently clueless as to who is buying music.
To me you sound ignorant, myopic and clueless, and I mean that in the best way. If you really are in the music business and have been for 30 yrs you are probably part of the problem. Get out now and let some kids come in, you don't know what you are talking about. |
Can we switch to a Blues discussion then? My first live music event was Koko Taylor off of Maxwell street with my father's best friend and my brothers as a teenager. Still the best music I have ever heard.
We went to the same place a few weeks later, just us, to see Johnny Lee Hooker. He was majorly messed up, but man, could he play.
Ma Rainey, Robert Johnson, Etta James,...... jazz and blues fueled rock and roll, morphed into some great blue eyed soul then R & B and Funk, which still sounds great.
I don't hate rap/hip hop at all. I think it's very important socially, but I don't consider it music at all. It's lyric poetry, some of it is very fun and interesting, but I think it's more in common with Homer than Mozart. |
