When will rap music be less mainstream?

First time I heard MC Hammer’s song many years ago, I like the rhythm and thought it is quite unique. After that, all kinds of rap music pop up. I never thought rap music would be mainstream for such a long time in US. If you look at the music award ceremonies, you will find it being flooded with rap music. Sometimes I am not even sure rap can be considered as song because you don’t sing but speak. Now you start to hear rap music in some other languages like Chinese, Japanese and Korean that don’t sound good in rap format. It would be interesting to hear rap music in Italian.

Time will tell if a song is good or not. A song is good if somebody want to play it for their loved ones on the radio 20 years later. I can’t imagine someone will play a rap for their beloved one 20 years later. Just curious if any A’gon member keep any rap collection?

Besides rap, I also have a feeling that the music industry in general is getting cheesy now. American Idol show gets huge attention while lots of singers perform at the bar or hotel can easily sing better than the idols. The show also asked Barbara Streisand if she watched the show and who was her favorite idol. What do you expect her to answer? People said Justin Timberlake is very talented singer/songwriter. I know him because I saw lots of headshot of him on commercials and magazines, but can you name any popular/well known song from him?
"People said Justin Timberlake is very talented singer/songwriter. I know him because I saw lots of headshot of him on commercials and magazines, but can you name any popular/well known song from him?"

Good question/point. I know I can't and I have a 24 year old daughter who started listening to music when he first hit the scene.
I'm kind of rigid with this but I tend to think a lot less of stuff that's called "music" when no one anywhere in the studio played an instrument during the creation.
I know, drum machines, etc, have been around for years but the vast majority, if not all, of the music you hear on Dylans stuff or Bob Segers stuff or Pearl Jams stuff emanates from a real guitar and a real drum set.
When will rap music be less mainstream, not soon enough for me. I find rap lyrics a bit like nursery rymes, not much artistry goes into it. I guess you gotta keep it simple for that crowd of people with low IQ. I have Beastie Boys - Check Your Head and Anthrax - Killer B's, not rap rap but in the sense.
I really don't pay attention to ANY mainstream music, it has been years since I listened to the radio. There is a whole world of music waiting to be discovered on the internet, many young people are just too lazy to search it out. Kids also have the pressure of fitting in so they tend to like what everyone else likes and are easily influenced by the media. As long as corporate america is making money off selling the "hip hop is cool" image it will always be mainstream.
I don't think very many people on this forum gives a rats ass about rap.I could be wrong,have been before.
It kills me when the Rappers call each other "Artists", that's just rich. Especially when so much of the music behind the rhymes are sampled from great R&B and Rock songs.

They can call each other, "Authors" of some pretty catchey and interesting lyric poetry, that I can handle, but don't call them a musical artist.

Crazy dude in Purple = Artist

Jay-Z = Social Poet (with incredibly hot wife, congrats on that dude)
Rap sucks! So does HipHop. They will probably be embraced by the general public forever. I spent 2 years working next door to one of those places that installs the killer car stereos and big wheels that make your crappy old Caprice look like a covered wagon. It was absolute torture. The "music", the words, the Train horns, the attitude. Part of my ceiling actually fell in from the bass.It was like living in a war zone. We all applauded the day Federal Marshalls came in with Black hoods over their heads and took all the "Hip Hop Sissies" off to jail at gunpoint.
I don't think they are embraced at all, I think they are pushed on kids. Why is retro music so popular still? Because the record companies don't have a clue as to what people like any more.

We never listened to 20 yr old music in the late 70's to early 90's, like kids do now. We wanted something new, now they are just frantically searching for something good, so they end up looking back and saying, "Wow, The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, The Eagles, The Police, Elton John are all pretty good...."
Check out "less mainstream" rap:
a few translation versions found on the comments to this tube video.
Referring to the frequent sampling of older R&B, Soul, and rock music, someone once described the current crop of rap/hip hop "artists" as midgets standing on the shoulders of giants.
I for one have a lot of hip hop albums...none of the mainstream stuff though...I'm talking about '88 to around '98. And of course, there's much more to hip hop than what you hear on the radio, kind of like more to high end than Bose and B&W :-)
it biz was always chessy...pat boone, mrs.miller, leonard nimoy, and countless others. also, spoken-word over a music backdrop isn't new either. technically he's 'toasting', but yellowman has made some great records...de la sol...curtis blow..lots more...as with most new stu ff any music catagory, i'm not as tuned in as i used to be.
My son listens to alot of hip hop and rap and don,t tell him ( or he will turn it up louder !) but a few of the non mainstream ones are good . I agree for the most part though with the term Artist or calling it music is less than accurate to my generation (50+). I think it is more a commentary on life, circumstance and a culture we don,t live in so can't or won't get it or like it. In my youth a Gangster was wearing a three peice suite and appeared to run a legitamite bussiness. Now they are Gangstas with their boxers around their necks and their pants around their knees.By the way a Justin Timberlake song... I can name one! The song he did on Saturday night live. My Dick in a Box , I laughed huge when I saw that.
Sure, some rap and hip-hop qualifies as art as much as any other form. There is really bad music in every genre, so why should rap be any different?

And yes, there are 15+ year old rap albums/cd's that I still play -Digable Planets, NWA, Public Enemy, etc.

Do I consider these recordings as timeless as some Coltrane, Miles, or Nat King Cole, etc? No, but I don't put the Eagles, Police, or Elton John in that category, either. Zep, yes, Eagles, no.

While I'm at it, plenty of rock artist made it big ripping off others and not giving credit. Do you really think Robert Plant thought up "Squeeze the lemon 'til the juice runs down my leg"?
What kills me is when some guy pulls up next to me in what I would stereotype as a southern redneck vehicle, you know, a pickup truck with a rifle rack. And out of the stereo comes loud gangsta rap of the most extreme kind. I don't get that at all. :)
I love Hip Hop. I find most other Audiogon persons posting on this subject are very negatively slanted toward this genre (and it appears rarely have been exposed to the music if at all), given the sophmoric answers I see all the time.

Hip Hop was the best selling genre in the last 20 years. Rock and Jazz are a mere fraction of its sales. Beyond its commercial success, it has also developed a sophisticated market that constantly pushes it to mutate. I think the most intelligent music magazine OF ANY GENRE is Wax Poetics, which over 38 editions has showcased Afro-centric rap music and hip hop (as well as R & B, Soul, Reggae and Jazz). It is the best written magazine we have.

As with any genre, there will always be "artists" that are so derivative and mainstream that they become an afterthought down the road. Rap and Hip Hop have had a high percentage of "one hit wonders." However, it has also produced artists of great depth. I believe that these selected artists and titles will give you a rich and tempered view of sonically arresting music that will stay fresh to your ears:

From England, I can highly recommend The Streets (A grand don't come for free) and Roots Manuva (Awfully Deep).

From New York, the Beatie Boys (Paul's Boutique, Check Your Head), Eric B. and Rakim (Paid in Full), KRS-One (A Retrospective), Kurtis Blow (Kurtis Blow), LL Cool J (Radio),Lauren Hill (The Miseducation), the Notorious B.I.G.(Life After Death), Run DMC (Run DMC) defined the essential East Coast Hip Hop Sound. Public Enemy had the best album of 1989 with "It Takes a Million" which married potical and social commentary. Other artists I can recommend are the Wu Tang Clan and Jay-Z from the outer neighborhoods of NYC.

The Roots are one of the best live instrument bands from Philly.

From the South, I can highly recommend the production of Timbaland, especially with Justin Timberlake and Missy Elliot (So addictive; Under Construction). I can also recommend Spank Rock and OutKast from Atlanta.

Chicago has produced Kanye West (808 and the Heartbreak) and Common. Detroit produced Eminem, who was the best selling artist last decade.

Los Angeles has spawned the Black Eye Peas, A Tribe Called Quest (The Love Movement), Dr Dre, Snoop Dogg, and Ice Cube.

Try these and tell me what you think. Be open to new sounds and you will be rewarded.
Rap = the tormenting sounds from Hell. =8^)
"Rap" - they just left the "C" off of the word.
Bongofury, point taken. For me though, it is simply a matter of taste. I have kids who play, or did play, rap music frequently. I listened to it and realized it wasn't for me. When I say wasn't for me, I mean I was not the target audience.
Listen and let listen is what I say. Still, I don't care to be assaulted while stopped at traffic intersections. Also, I'm sure there are people who take offense at the language when their small children are treated to it.
Darkmoebious, you are dead wrong on that. Be it Led Zeppelin, the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, or even Elvis Presley, all of the early rock 'artists' who with the exception of Elvis in that group, wrote their own songs, and my God PLAYED THEIR OWN INSTRUMENTS, gave huge credit to those whose music they were emulating.

Hollowing Wolf, Robert Johnson..... there are a ton of great blues ARTISTS who are revered, and rightly so, for their absolute greatness, and their role in the founding of Rock n Roll. You just need to read a little bit about the Rolling Stones, and especially Led Zeppelin, they all enthusiastically gave credit to their influences.

Also, they didn't just take their recordings, because they were not talented enough to play the music themselves, and write lyrics over them with a drum maching pumping out a bass line. Instead they took the music to a different direction and added their own slant on it, with songs written and played with the Blues as it's base influence.

Huge difference.
Unfortunately like many of the best music and artists with modern indie rock and the like, the best rap/hip-hop tends to be overlooked. There is good stuff out there, some VERY good. I typically see these artists at indie music festivals. You'll never hear them on mainstream radio. And I've never heard these artists cranking on some skull rattling car stereo. I agree, mainstream rap/hip-hop pretty much sucks, just like mainstream pop and "alternative rock". (in my view).

But if you're a true music lover and haven't explored the genre, you should. Bongofury makes some good suggestions.
If you believe that rock is king, look at hair metal. Foreigner. Stix. Maroon 5. Creed. Rock has produced a huge amount of suckage. I can think of 10,000 crappy bands that never held up. I find all your "rock is where it at--rap is crap" and "skull rattling" to be childish and ignorant. Sales success. Check. Fan acceptance. Check. Live Touring and Merchandise Sales. Check. Sometimes I feel this site is populated by gnomes who have not updated their record collections since 1976. The good old days are OLD. Stay fresh and be rewarded. Or as Bob Dylan said, "he who is not being born is busy dying."

You need to get your facts straight. As someone who has been in the music space for 30 years, you look foolish.

First, in terms of songwriting, Elvis did covers. Sorry. Very little was directly written or attributed by him. Many bands have ghost writers on their payroll in secret or the labels seek out hits for individual artists.

Second, as for instruments, very few Hip Hop artists sample anymore. Paul's Boutique, by the Beatie Boys, had $300,000 in "sampling" replay rights in 1989. After that album came out, few record companies were willing to front the bill on this. Most samples used are by the initation of the rock bands themselves, who are looking to cross-over into the younger demos. Sting was intimately involved in the P.Diddy song, as well as Steely Dan with Kanye West. You, as their core demo, are no longer buying records. Hip Hop still shifts tapes and CDs in volume.

Third, many Hip Hop albums use live in studio instruments to recreate piano, guitar, bass and drum parts. The bass heavy sound is usually added at post production and mixing. I have many studio musicians who play on these recordings. They are generously paid but do not receive playing credits due to royalty structures. I can also point you to The Roots, who have a weekly legendary club gig going in NYC, who probably have the best live drummer in the music space at the moment.
Rap and hip hop have roots in funk. I love funk. I enjoy rap and hop also. I agree with Bongo - lots of great stuff out there! My favorite BEP numbers are not the hits you hear on the radio.

The BEP cover (sampling) of James Brown's "Mind Power" is awesome
They don't want music. This is proof that rap is not a new horrible sound but an evolution, with highly distinguished roots: think of it as an evolution of Al Jarreau, Herbie Hancock, James Brown, Maceo Parker etc.

The drums on this track is courtesy of the incomparable genius of John Jabo Starks!
Bongo-Furious, didn't mean to get in your pocket. Obviously from your very selective response you must deal with these people everyday. If you are/were involved in any of those "songs" you mention with Pdiddy/Mac/Combs/Daddy, I'm sorry you've obviously lost whatever musical talent you once possesed.

My point, which you in no way addressed, was that the statement Robert Plant from Led Zeppelin among others didn't acknowledge his/their predecessors was WAY off the mark, and I stand by that.

Be it Johnny Lee Hooker, Lead Belly, Koko Taylor, I had and have heard from many of those great rock bands and acts that these great blues artists were their influences.

Also, your dead wrong on current musical tastes too. You obviously don't see all of teenagers I do combing through record stores looking for 20+ year old music, and downloading all sorts of songs from my youth, that's why new music sales are way down. At least that what the Wall Street Journal, and many of the mainstream media outlets say. We never checked out old music as teenagers, we only were interested in new music, admittedly some of it sucked, but we wanted to be on the cutting edge. Current kids do that because what is shoved down their throats by the music biz now, which you seem to be in by your admission is currently clueless as to who is buying music.

To me you sound ignorant, myopic and clueless, and I mean that in the best way. If you really are in the music business and have been for 30 yrs you are probably part of the problem. Get out now and let some kids come in, you don't know what you are talking about.
How many die-hard "hip-hop" bashers here have never heard the DJ Shadow album Endtroducing?
And didn't Willie Dixon sue Zep for them totally ripping him off without giving him credit?
He actually sued them over "Whole Lotta Love" and they settled it with him as soon as they found out about the suit, it was in the late 1980's. The reason it never went to court was their respect for him, and also the fact that the song does sound extremely similar to one of his songs from the early '50's which I can't remember the title of, but the opening riffs did sound incredibly similar to the bridge of Wille's song.

This is one of the incidents that I remember from Led Zep talking about thier influences because I saw an interview with Jimmy Page talking about the incident and his admiration for all of the Chess regards group, with special attention to Willie Dixon and Johnny Lee Hooker (was he at Chess?).
01-09-10: Macdadtexas
My point, which you in no way addressed, was that the statement Robert Plant from Led Zeppelin among others didn't acknowledge his/their predecessors was WAY off the mark, and I stand by that.
You shouldn't make emphatic statements when the facts don't entirely back that up.

Led Zeppelin released "The Lemon Song" in 1969 on the Led Zeppelin II album,and it's original writing credits were Jimmy Page and Robert Plant. That particular song "borrows" lyrics from prior blues artists work.

The first, second and fourth verses of "The Lemon Song," are clearly recognizable from Howlin' Wolf's original song "Killing Floor".

Also is Plant's "Squeeze the lemon 'til the juice runs down my leg" phrase, look to Robert Johnson's 1937 song "Traveling Riverside Blues." Of course, Johnson wasn't the only blues artist to use this type of imagery. In the 1929 song "I Want It Awful Bad," Joe Williams had included the lines "You squeezed my lemon/Caused my juice to run," and Roosevelt Sykes used similar imagery in his 1937 song "She Squeezed My Lemon." Nonetheless, it is highly unlikely Plant/Page created the line on their own.

The phrase "you take my money, give it to another man" most likely was taken from "Black Eye Blues" by Ma Rainey.

It wasn't until Led Zeppelin WAS SUED BY ARC Records in 1972, and an out of court settlement, that the band was forced to give those blues artists writing credits on Zepp pressings.

Honestly, we could give you a long, long, long, list of famous songs and artists in the great age of Rock & Roll who did (what we now) legally consider theft of prior work. Many others were more performer than songwriters and musicians. That doesn't take anything from them, by the way.

Of course, back then, it was a bunch of kids doing songs they love. But, in some ways, everyone always knew songwriting credit was where all the money was made. A choice not to list someone meant more money in their own pockets.

I should also mention that I liberally "borrowed" all these facts/assertions from this web page
Dark-"Dude from the Matrix"

I stand by my point, and it's still right on. You make it sound as though these bands denied the connection between themselves and the blues greats. They never did, that.

I never said they did not emulate or anything else, they worshipped these guys as their musical Gods, and my point, and I stand by it, was that they have always, always, given them credit as their main influences.
Macdadtexas, they may have always given them credit in interviews and live concerts, but they didn't always do so where it counted most - legally and financially, in the songwriting credits.

That, is a fact.

And I agree with you that they worshipped the blues greats.
Can we switch to a Blues discussion then? My first live music event was Koko Taylor off of Maxwell street with my father's best friend and my brothers as a teenager. Still the best music I have ever heard.

We went to the same place a few weeks later, just us, to see Johnny Lee Hooker. He was majorly messed up, but man, could he play.

Ma Rainey, Robert Johnson, Etta James,...... jazz and blues fueled rock and roll, morphed into some great blue eyed soul then R & B and Funk, which still sounds great.

I don't hate rap/hip hop at all. I think it's very important socially, but I don't consider it music at all. It's lyric poetry, some of it is very fun and interesting, but I think it's more in common with Homer than Mozart.
I don't hate rap/hip hop at all. I think it's very important socially, but I don't consider it music at all

It is ok to not like it - I don't care much for country or opera but I do not dismiss these genres out of hand. In fact, on the contrary, I can appreciate a fine musical performance of both it is just that I do not collect a lot of CD's of this type genre (I have a few dozen opera and country discs but that is all)

Another example is Punk - I do not care much for that but I sure appreciate what it gave us - Blondie, The Clash and a while lot more were inspired from Sex Pistols...

My present clients are U2, AC/DC and the Black Eye Peas, plus three unsigned acts. I own three clubs. I have two touring properties being planned for the summer and have a television series involving 30 Blue Chip Artists in production for the Japanese, US and European market. I find your response to me as unworthy. None of this is being shoved down anyone's throats. It Shadorne's point, personal taste is your personal business. But for people of my ilk, you look stupid.
PS: Dark Moebius is right. Led Zep denied millions in royalties to the blues artists mentioned. Peter Grant, their manager, was well known in the biz, for being ruthless. It was only when the press and the lawsuits came forward, did they bend.
Rap sucks; it's never been and never will be "music".

Although it has a strong appeal to current and future inmates.
If you think that all "hip-hop" is like the stuff you hear pumping from car stereos then check out the kind of stuff that REAL music/vinyl lovers can make.



Above discussion sounds like one I've heard starting with when the Beatles came on the scene. Only then it was my older friends parents wishing that, "that terrible noise" would soon vanish; not to mention how they were so against the Stones, Hendrix, Bowie, James Brown, and on and on.

I'm not a fan of rap. Others are welcome to it. I've tried and tried (I believe I have quite eclectic music interests).

I'd be VERY, VERY interested in a couple of current rap albums or CDs that A'Gon followers find worthy of purchase. I'd like to try more than the 15 or so works I have to date.

Most rap I've heard comes off much too angry, misguided, uninformed, full of predujice, rather rote/uncreative/repeticious and the like for my tastes.

In response to those who wrote above that the British "invasion" had roots in the blues created by our black American artists, that is correct.

That these bands openly credited our American artists - from what I've experienced and read that is likely 90+% incorrect.

The likes of John Baldry, John Mayall, Roy Harper, and even Clapton, the Animals and perhaps a few others were somewhat more open about the "borrowing". The Stones, Led Zeppelin, Yardbirds (in general), the Who, and other more popular "British Invaders" were not any too quick at acknowledging such details. Study it. I'm open to knowing where I might be wrong here.

"... and the beat goes on".
Whoa...the music industry is GETTING cheesy?
No, Bong-futility runs the music business now, a 50 plus year old loser furiously holding onto a youth past who owns a few gentlman's clubs in the San Fernando valley makes him what we need.

You know the dude, the loser next to you college kid backstage passing stories about Jimmy and the good old day, then hanging trying to hang out on the fringe of the rap community by letting them have free lap-dances at his club.

Dude, I pity you, give it up, your not cool or hip, your a loser, grow up.
01-10-10: Sit
Most rap I've heard comes off much too angry, misguided, uninformed, full of predujice, rather rote/uncreative/repeticious and the like for my tastes.
That is a common misconception by those not experienced with rap/hip-hop. While most popular rap is gangsta or hardcore, the actual genre covers a wide universe that fuses almost every known other musical style within it, including country music. Classical and bluegrass might be the exception.

I usually suggest that the uninitiated and curious start out with the jazz-infused rap/hip-hop as an introduction.

One thing people have to take into consideration is that some hip-hop/rap is made simply for the flow of the rhythm and rhyme, where the lyrics will mean nothing at all. This isn't unheard of in rock & roll, either. There are plenty of great, classic, rock songs with utter, nonsensical, crap for lyrics.

A great example of this is 1993's "Rebirth of Slick (Cool Like Dat)" and "Nickel Bags" by Digable Planets from their cd "Reachin (A New Refutation of Time and Space)" which reached the Top 15 on the Billboard Charts and won the Grammy Award for Best Rap Performance by a Duo or Group in 1994. They were one of the early hip-hop acts to fuse jazz samples with funk and vocal delivery which mirrored the style of jazz musicians. Groups like A Tribe Called Quest, De La Soul, and others approached music from a 180 degree opposite direction of the hardcore gangsta rap of NWA, Ice-t, etc. that was so big at the time. Their movement was about peaceful intellectualism, raps equivalent of Flower Power.

Guru's Jazzmatazz Vols 1-4 are considered definitive collections where he collaborated with jazz artists like Branford Marsalis, Freddie Hubbard, Donald Byrd, along with soul vocalists like Chaka Khan on "Watch What You Say".

Across the Pond, French artists like MC Solaar were forging their own style jazz and funk infused hip-hop. Solaar's Nouveau Western(from Prose Combat) is one of the classic examples from that period. Solaar ended up collaborating with Guru's original band Gangstarr on Le Tempto

At the same time, groups like Arrested Development were taking hip-hop's peaceful intellectualism in a slightly different direction by fusing funky backbeat with more traditional soul & reggae music flourishes. Their lyrics specifically preached non-violence, education, and respect for women. Their cd "3 Years, 5 Months & 2 Days in the Life Of..." broke new ground with it's simplistic, funky, positive style. The songs "Everyday People" and "Tennessee" both reached #1 on the charts, "Mr Wendel" reeached #6, and earned them won two Grammy Awards in 1993 for Best New Artist and Best Rap Performance by a Duo or Group, and were also named Band of the Year by Rolling Stone magazine.

Other styles of hip-hop/rap exist simply for the lyrics and the music on provides a backbeat for the cadence of delivery. Personally, I consider a lot of Dylan's early works to be like this since I don't like his voice or music. Not saying that a lot of rap artists are on Dylan's level songwriting wise, but neither are a lot of rock artists, either. Although, I do think quite a few early rappers like Public Enemy wrote equally as powerful social commentary at their height.

Then, there is whole 'nother segment that simply about self-mocking humor. Just good old funtime party music - rap's equivalent of the B-52's or Van Halen.

I'm not suggesting that you, or others that dislike rap, will enjoy or even appreciate the musical styles of these groups, just that the genre is not entirely violence and misogyny-laden. There is tons of highly regarded, well selling, artistic and flat-out funny acts that refute that mindset.

I, personally, am not a huge rap/hip-hop fan(more of jazz, rock, hard rock, & alternative guy), but there is lots of stuff that i do enjoy and I always keep an open ear for something new.

If anyone likes they style of stuff sampled above, I'm sure there a few of us around here that put together a list of quality songs/cd's to groove to.

The Arrested Devolpment work you sight is on my all-time favs list. Also dc Talk and PM Dawn. What other rap today has this musical flavor to it?

The others you shared above just don't do it for me.
Any of you like Maroon 5 - this is a rap hip hop influenced pop group. Kind of Jamiroquai meets a rap beat like Eminem?

Anyway, just to say that those who dismiss rap out of hand simply don't get it.
01-10-10: Sit
The Arrested Devolpment work you sight is on my all-time favs list. Also dc Talk and PM Dawn. What other rap today has this musical flavor to it?
Wow, that's a tough call, they were pretty damn innovative. I'll have to think about that for a while. That was a uniquely creative time in hip-hop.
The others you shared above just don't do it for me.
Nothing wrong with that. Hip-hop covers such a wide universe of sounds & styles, here's bound to hits and misses for everyone interested. Lord knows there's a lot of it that I simply can't stand.
Some of my favs:

"Let's Riot"
Attica Gang

San Quentin Quintet

"Bust You Up"
Leaven and the Worths

"You Ain't Going Nowhere"
Pelican Bayrollers
Now, now, Audiofeil - Rock & roll and country have their own share of convicted felons.

However, very few rock and roll/country songs advocate cop killing, murder, rape, and general thuggery.

Rap sucks although it does provide, in many cases, a career path to 3 squares a day and a warm bed ranging in time from 1 month to 99 years.

Or maybe even life.

Yo,what a deal.

Are you feeling me?
01-11-10: Audiofeil
However, very few rock and roll/country songs advocate cop killing, murder, rape, and general thuggery.
Hmmm, off the top of my head:

Guns N' Roses "It's So Easy"

Ya get nothin' for nothin'
If that's what ya do
Turn around bitch I got a use for you
Besides you ain't got nothin' better to do
And I'm bored

"Anything Goes"

Panties 'round your knees
With your ass in debris
Doin' dat grind with a push and squeeze
Tied up, tied down, up against the wall
Be my rubbermade baby
An' we can do it all

"Used To Love Her"

I used to love her
But I had to kill her
I used to love her, Mm, yeah
But I had to kill her
I had to put her six feet under
And I can still hear her complain

I used to love her, Oo, yeah
But I had to kill her
I used to love her, Oo, yeah
But I had to kill her
I knew I'd miss her
So I had to keep her
She's buried right in my backyard
Oh yeah, Oo yeah, whoa, oh yeah

I used to love her
But I had to kill her
I used to love her, Mm, yeah
But I had to kill her
She bitched so much, She drove me nuts
And now I'm happier this way, yeah
Whoa, oh yeah

I used to love her
But I had to kill her
I used to love her, Mm, yeah
But I had to kill her
I had to put her, Oo, six feet under
And I can still hear her complain

Motley Crue "Live Wire"

I'll either break her face
Or take down her legs
Get my ways at will
Go for the throat
Never let loose


Out go the lights
In goes my Knife
Pull out his life
Consider that bastard dead
Get on your knees
Please beg me, please
You're the king of the sleaze
Don't you try to rape me

Consider that bastard dead
Won't get screwed again
Whoa! Whoa!
Make it quick, blow off his head

Got your neck in the noose
I got nothing to lose
We're really gonna screw you
Consider that bastard dead
Quick a a shark
Beast has its mark
You can't beat the dark
Don't you try to rape me

Goin' in for the kill
Take my fist
Break down walls
I'm on the top tonight

"All In The Name Of..."

She's only fifteen
She's the reason - the reason that I can't sleep
You say illegal
I say legal's never been my scene

I try like hell but I'm out of control
All in the name of rock'n'roll

For sex and sex I'd sell my soul
All in the name of rock

Pretty, pretty so innocent
She sais you ain't seen nothing yet
Brings me a dirty, dirty magazine
There she was for all the world to see

I try like hell but I'm out of control
All in the name of rock'n'roll

For sex and sex I'd sell my soul
All in the name of rock

Says to me daddy
Can I have some candy
Wanna be your nasty
Anytime you want
You know you can have me

All in the name of rock'n'roll
For sex and sex I'd sell my soul
All in the name of rock

Motorhead "Jailbait"

Hey baby you´re a sweet young thing
Still tied to mommas apron strings
I don´t even want to know your age
I´m just happy you´re back stage
You´re jailbait and I just can´t wait
Jailbait baby come on

One look baby all I need
My decision made at lightning speed
I don´t even want to know your name
It´s enough to know you feel the same
You´re jailbait and I just can´t wait
Jailbait baby come on

Hey baby know you look so fine
Send shivers up and down my spine
I don´t care about our different ages
I´m an open book with well-thumbed pages
You´re jailbait and I just can´t wait
Jailbait baby come on

Really, it's not that hard to come up with a long, long, list of rock lyrics from gold or platinum selling albums.

Punk, which is sub-section of rock, has more than it's share of anti-police and violent lyrics.

For the more obscure rock/punk lyrics,there's always GG Allin's "Kill The Police"

Lyrics to Kill The Police :
Worthless pig-man in your phoney blue uniform
You try to tell me what to do but I never will conform
In my world there are no limits or laws
Kill the police before we’re all robots

Kill the police
Kill the whole force
Smash the system
Destroy the courts

[Repeat Refrain 2 Times]

On a power trip with your useless authority
Your life is nothin' but (..unknown..)
I hope you all die on the street today
I hope you all die in a deadly way

[Refrain 3 Times]

It's all a lie what they try and sell you
If they can't make a case, they're gonna frame you
Wanted or on bail can you ever be free
It's time to take action, kill the police

[Refrain 3 Times]

[Repeat Verse 1]

[Refrain 4 Times]
Lawerence-Fishburne-Like-Named-Dude, that was mighty strong, I might say, excellent comeback!!

Also to BongoFury, I just re-read my last post, and that was a little (probably more than a little) uncalled for, sorry, bad post. I was out of line, just because I don't agree with you on something, I didn't need to go overboard. Once again, sorry about that, wish I could take it off. I made myself look like a little bit of an ass.
Reading this thread again has made me hate some of you.