When does analog compete with digital?


With vinyl becoming all the rage, many believe (perhaps mistakenly) that a budget of $1K will allow them to bring their analog front end up to par with their digital. I would like a reasoned assessment of this issue.

How much time, money, and expertise do you think is necessary before one can seriously claim that their analog front end can compete with their digital? What characteristics, if any, are simply incommensurable between these two mediums? Let's use my system as an example.

Personally, I tried to build an analog front-end that focused on texture/warmth (as opposed to dynamics), but I still feel as though something is missing. Trouble is, I can't quite put my finger on it. I'd be grateful for comments/suggestions (system in sig)
jferreir

Showing 6 responses by t_bone

Drewmb1? You have a gimbaled TT in your car? I would love a gimbaled TT. Just for the sake of it. I guess the right way to do it is have a gimbaled platform and mount a TT on it...
I think a gyro is a sine qua non for the gimbal platform, and the trick would be having the platform mounted so that the gimbaled supports to that platform were not rigid (I expect something like a linear bearing might work here, with the gyro keeping the TT in one place). One could potentially mount a Sony PS-F9 on it to "save space." It has the linear arm, but I expect the single biggest issue would be vibration damping, so one would have to have something like a mini vibraplane as the platform base (requiring a much bigger gyro).
I will agree with Audiofeil (I must be coming down with something - this is at least the second time this year) that spending $1000 on a used setup can get you a goosebump-inducing sound (though as others have said, it takes more to get all the way). Unlike the other parts of most people's source components, there is a significant physical aspect to turntables. That includes support. I will agree with Samhar's comments above, certainly in your system (turntable on top of 'wood' desk on hardwood floor), I would be fearful of environmental noise getting into the turntable. The first thing I would do in your case is get a suspension/isolation system which reduced the resonant frequency of environmental noise. This could be magnetic suspension, or something similar (Yamamoto makes little magnetic repulsion footers, I think Clearaudio may too, Sony used to; a Relaxa platform works too). I expect that would improve your result somewhat, and perhaps somewhat dramatically.

I will have to let others comment on your table/arm, cartridge, and phono stage as I don't know them. The table you have has a very small footprint, and if maintaining that footprint is important to you, the things you have to work with are probably suspension, cart, and phono (as I don't know if the arm is replaceable).

Dougdeacon's point about a $125 MM cart being wonderful BECAUSE the other two parts of the system (table/arm and phono stage) are up to snuff is key. One can say there are three parts to the system (and there are sometimes more, depending on how you set yours up) and if any one of them is not up to it, the whole will be dragged down to the level of that one. Personally, I find the cheapest ways to improve an existing setup are usually, in order of improvement/cost ratio, is 1) suspension/isolation, 2) a good protractor and good setup, and 3) a better phono stage. Oops, forgot to mention periodic use of Magic Eraser to clean the stylus (thanks Doug!).

I have one analog system in place where I "cheat" on the phono stage because it is in a preamp, but used the table, a cheap-ish vintage MM cart, plus half of the phono/pre cost me less than $1000. That said, it cost me a lot more money and time and learning to be able to put that together, and considerable luck on the used market (used, the table+arm+cart would be more than that on Audiogon if you could find them, and the preamp was not sold in large numbers and is relatively unknown, but an absolute gem in any case). Nevertheless, that system, even if it cost $2k, would be sufficient to get one very far in vinyl.
Jferreir,
As to isolation being a final tweak or a basic setup issue, it depends on your environment. It is not only speaker noise which matters. Buildings have resonance. Some of it is earthbound, some of it is how buildings react to outside elements. Some of it is how buildings turn noise in one place into vibration in other places. Part of it depends on where you live. If you live in the countryside on the eastern seaboard, far from roads, you may have little worry. If you live in a city, or in a region affected by earthquakes, you will find that buildings tend to resonate slightly most of the time. It is kind of creepy.

As for online resources, check the FAQs on Audioasylum.com, Also, if you find conflicting information on these resources, raise the question about which should be trusted on Audiogon or over at Audioasylum. How does a newbie become an expert? Practice.