Horns. Look at the JBL Array line for one. But it sounds like you would be satisfied by a good horn speaker. Wide dynamic range, fast transients and the ability to separate instruments within the mix.
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Using a simaudio 340i integrated, but that'll likely be going along with the 160's. New speakers will get new amplification.
I also listen to a lot of electronic music and would recommend augmenting whichever speakers you end up purchasing with a high quality sub, possibly even two if your listening space is large. This generally allows the low frequency foundation of electronica to be reproduced more faithfully than with speakers alone. It also frees the main speakers to sort out the often complex mix of sounds in the mid and high frequency ranges to the best of their ability without the added burden of trying to reproduce extreme low frequency signals.
Which speakers under $15,000 (used or new) should I be looking at it that will be able reproduce the complicated nature of a lot of electronic music with ease; something that just has jaw-dropping dynamic range?I'm sure this speaker will do just that, and not leave you wanting for anything.
I'm a big electronica fan also and yes you want a speaker with very good dynamics and bass. My two favorites are the Zu Definitions and the Tekton Pendragons for electronica. If you're in the bay area PM me for a demo.
I do believe horns with subs would work great, as the best club (sound wise) in San Francisco is called Monarch. Google it and check out their horns. It's really a great system.
This is a job for... high quality waveguides or horns with high quality compression drivers, high quality prosound woofers, well designed crossovers, and possibly a distributed multisub system. Designed to be loafing along at 10% of its rated power handling on whatever your anticipated peaks are, thus ensuring negligible thermal modulation and negligible thermal or mechanical compression. Possible contenders include Classic Audio Reproductions, GedLee, PiSpeakers, JBL, Edgarhorn, and yours truly.
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wow, just spent the last two hours reading up on the Zu Definition MK IV. I am intrigued to say the least. I'm not going to lie, I really, really don't want to part with my JL's, however I could be convinced otherwise if a speaker could somehow do what the JL does, and better.
Do you own a pair?
Any good speaker will be good for electronic music. Speakers don't care what music goes through them; only people care about that. But one thing about music- sometimes there is bass. I'm more convinced if the speaker makes good, deep and uncolored bass. So I use Classic Audio Loudspeakers, the model T-3.3
But I have also used Audiokinesis to great effect, Sound Lab, MG20s; anything that makes bass and is easily driven with tubes.
Yes I have the Definitions in San Francisco. I also highly recommend Atmasphere's advice. The best bass I've heard in an efficient speaker is the GR Research Super V's. There are lots of Zu owners around the country if you call Zu I bet they can help. Another option would be the Druid mkV or newer Souls with your subs.
im pushing focus 380s with gryphon diablo and crystal cables ultra...the electronic music never sounded so good as on these speakers...its just matter of production and source at the end...for example of electro my reference...trentemoller "last resort" sounds nothing but sublime...but cabling and amp are mandatory to get this results on my speakers(and yours i suppose)...more better electronic more better results...classic, electro, metal, rap,jazz...just name it...so im very suprised to hear that your focus 160 dosent push electro good...
I'm also a big fan of electronic music of all kinds. I would look into some active speakers. I had Quad 12L Actives, and was amazed at the dynamic speed they had. Without a passive crossover to rob the power and speed (attack/decay), they are explosive in nature.
I sold them when I got my current setup done - Mirage OMD-28s with dual subs and lots of class-d power. But I would seriously consider looking at actives. PTE Speakers or Meridian.
Just a thought,
I have to disagree. If we're talking 80's synth pop "electronica,' then sure, Dynaudio or Focal are great. More so with Dynaudio, the speakers are a little too colored to really bring out the explosive nature of modern day electronic music. The sig sound that can be found throughout the entire Dynaudio line seems to make "conventional" music sound great, and in doing so, fails to bring out the "unnatural" nature of electronica.
dynaudio speakers "too colored"...well i have to disagree with that...i found sonus faber, harbeth, bowers colored...dyns one of most natural speakers ive heard and differently sounding with different amps and cabling...true to the source...ofcourse they pushing natural instruments better than electro...and btw Colonel when you mention sig sound on entire dyn line i ask you with which exact models of dyn speakers you spend time to conclude that and with which amps, source and cabling...cuz we definitively have different experience...regards...
160, 380, C1, C2. When I say colored, I mean slightly warm. They are def a slightly warm speaker. And when I say sound signature, I mean the warmth as well. I found the entire Dyn line, that I heard, to be all be very similar sounding. each step up with the same as the one below, just a bit better. They're absolutely enjoyable speakers, but not critical in the least.
"slightly warm"...well thats a different story...on the warm side of the neutral at most...if i would grade warmth sounus fabers(serblin models) would be 4/5 ,dyns would be 1/5...more smooth and delicate sound than warm but thats just me...when i tested karan ka i-180mk2 on my focus speakers with cardas cabling that was warm sound and with half of details, soundstage, resolution, control of gryphon, crystals combo...not my cup of tea becuz rock/metal and other agressive music diddnt sound as convincing and natural as on a neutral non colored amps and cabling...what im tryin to say is that speakers are so sensitive and can sound from smooth to harsh, dark to bright, warm or analythical depending on rest of the system not by its coloration...they like to get out of way...but if you lost the faith that dyns can push electro in your way there is allways PMC speakers :) but in my experience with dyns you need to feed that speakers with much better and stronger amp and play with a different cables even power chords to find what suits you best...and you will be suprised...i wish you live closer to my place to hear how good produced electronica sounds on my system :)...
My favorites are the OHM Walsh speakers.
In general, the two things needed are
1) speakers that are not undersized for the room and capable of extreme dynamics without breakup or stress
2) an amp capable of driving those speakers TO THEIR MAX. AMps with power output towards minimum vendor recommended pwoer ratings may not be able to cut it and will be more prone to clipping, which is public enemy # 1 in this case. Better to have more power that the speakers can handle than less in general. That's your insurance policy against clipping.
High efficiency speakers alone have an advantage in terms of demand on amp to drive them, but HE speakers that are also well extended in teh bass will tend to be large and expensive. Smaller, less expensive HE speakers may work fine but lack some of the full range extension and dynamics needed to be able to feel the music as well as hear it, which is a key thing for me for this kind of music in particular.
Also room size is a key factor to consider if going for the bomb with this kind of music. In general, bigger speakers will be needed to do teh job in larger rooms than in smaller ones.
Also, a sub or subs can be your friend in this case enabling even smaller monitors to be driven well with less power as long as the powered sub is handling the low end and not the mains.
^^ Actually it matters quite a lot. Electronic music can be quite demanding, on top of that it may come as a surprise but there is an analog/digital debate that is on-going in the electronic music community, and is why older analog synthesizers go for big money on ebay.
Electronic music can also be quite demanding of the system. Like all other forms of music, the better the speaker the better it will sound.
FWIW a speaker that is really good for classical music is also going to be good for rock or electronic music. Speakers don't care what you put through them!
The same things that make a speaker good for electronic music (resolution, dynamic punch, bandwidth) make it good for classical.
For those that doubt that electronic music can be demanding, try out the LP 'Infinity Project' (issued on Blue Room Records in the mid-90s) and see if you still say that.