what speaker new or used for 5k?

Jug,

last I heard you added the subs and did room treatments and had teh original Vienna's and the newer Wavetouch.

What aspects of teh sound are still lacking? MAybe its not the room or speakers at this point? Just wondering. There is more to getting teh right sound than speakers and room, though getting those under control at least is a needed first step before further tweaking.

What kind of floor is under your speakers? Are they on an upper level? Are the floors suspended plywood? if you jump up and down does anything in the room pick up vibrations?

if so the problem may be inherent in your room/floor. Some speakers may isolate from floor interactions better than others. One cheap solution worth trying is to put teh speakers on isolation pads. I use Auralex subdudes under my OHMs on my second floor where this is a problem as it is with much modern constructed houses. A problem for Hifis and speakers but the give is good for avoiding structural damage in earthquakes, etc. Subdudes, if practical for use under speakers like yours, run about $50-$60 each on Amazon.

BTW when I use teh same OHM speakers in my basement on solid concrete foundation with thin carpet and padding, nothing else is needed. I can jump up and down all day down there and not much will vibrate. If I really turn things up, the walls and doors might just a bit, enough for the key I store above teh door frame to eventually fall to teh floor. Nothing particularly audible though. The same speakers off teh same gear are able to shine right through becasue there is little or no vibration transmitted to teh floor.

You might want to try some kind of isolating platform under teh speakers if you think you have this problem first before investing megabucks in other speakers that may solve teh problem in a similar manner out of teh box.

Just somefood for thought.

Have you optimized teh placement of your speakers, perhaps somewhat out away from walls to eliminate early reflections? That will smear teh imaging and reduce detail if not the case.

I'd suggest creating an agon virtual system and posting some system pics. that will help people see what you have and make appropriate suggestions. You can delete the virtual system later at any time once all is hunky dory if you like or leave it so all can see your triumph. :^)

Interconnects can also have a major effect in teh areas of concern. Not familiar with yours so cannot comment. I use DNM reson RCA ICs for overall clarity, detail and balance top to bottom. Not expensive and can be a real difference maker depending on what you are starting with otherwise.

...as can power conditioning to pre-amp and source gear if your house line power is not clean to start with. Most peoples could use some improvement and an insurance policy at worst.

Also look into if all components have sufficient physical isolation from each other and other nearby possible sources of noise.

Some power cords help isolate preamps and source devices espeically noisy digital ones from each other. I find Pangea ac 14 se to be an effective and inexpensive solutio for that.

The common theme here is to do what you can with the setup you have to lower noise and distortion before going on teh speaker merry go round, unless you are already certain the ones you have are not capable of delivering the goods once noise and distortion feeding them from upstream is under control.

Once those bases are covered with confidence, then one can confidently say its likely the speakers.

You ahve good ones though so I just tend to doubt they are not capable of sounding great.

Those investments upstream if needed will benefit you in any case later no matter what speakers. Keeping noise and distortion to a minimum is always the key to good sound.

Maybe listen to noise levels on a portable radio at various locations close and further away from your gear and see if anything detectable there. Older digital sources in particular and any multipurpose computer gear not designed for good sound specifically can be common nearby sources of noise and distortion. Also any power consuming household applicances with power transformers, microwaves, flourescent lights, etc.

There can be a lot of noise pollution in ones home both in teh air and on electrical lines that one never detects until it si gone and their hifi sounds so much better.

How far back from speakers do you listen?

I ask because the drivers in the Mozarts have a lot of physical separation which usually requires some distance to speakers to blend and image well. I have never heard these though so hard to say.

THe configuration reminds me of B&W P6 speakers I had for a number of years recently. They were not the best at imaging soundstage or detail especially in a smaller room or when not listening from at least a good 8 feet or so away.

I like driver layout to either more closely resemble a point source placed more closely together or a line source with driver arrays. All my current monitor and OHM floorstanders tend to closely emulate a point source even when listening fairly close to the speakers.

Can never hurt to try different amps, gear whatever in your home if the cost for audition is reasonable.

If congestion is the problem you might like the coherent sound of Vandersteen, but be aware that they are said to be very sensitive to what you feed them, so a change like taht alone would not necessarily signify the of teh changes needed.

It does take time patience and money to try different things until you find just the right one that clicks for you.

Can you decipher vocals clearly?

if not, some might call that a common form of "Congestion".

2-way designs with crossover points in the midrange where most vocals and music occurs are a commonly cited cause.

I tend to levitate to 2 way designs where the crossover is simple and occurs at higher frequencies.

The OHMs and Triangles that I use are good examples. Another I know of that follows a similar design approach on paper that I know of and many like is Reference 3a. I'm sure there are others.