What speaker after Thiel 7.2?


I'm not unhappy with my speakers, but I'm curious about what else is out there. My question is directed to those who owned (or very seriously considered) the 7.2s as to what they moved on to and their assessment of the change. Particularly, are you happy or regretful? What does your speaker do that the Thiels didn't do? What did the Thiels do that your current speaker doesn't do? Of course, those that went to a speaker costing considerably more should maintain some perspective.

Budget would be under 20k new (although would listen to speakers up to 30k), and listening room is 18x16 with an open-floor layout. This means that the speakers have no side-walls, are spaced 9 feet apart, and listening position is at 12 ft. Main priorities would be for a full-range speaker that images clearly, accurately, with a realistic soundstage, and good reliability/customer service.

Thanks,
Rob
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To ALL:

If anybody wants to dump their 7.2's on me they are more than welcome. I will even pay shipping as well as a small stripend for their troubles. Thanks in advance.

Chuck
lrsky

I do not think Jim Thiel would intentionally design and market an inferior design. In my comment I meant just the opposite that most companies, Thiel included, intend to improve on a design not regress. As an engineer myself we are always trying to improve on an a previous design and not just put something new out there. If it isn't better then why bother most customers, not all, are savy enough to figure it out pretty quickly. And that was all I meant nothing assumed or infered. My comments concerning the 3.6's not being replaced sooner came from some article I read where Jim Thiel makes the very comment I allude to.

Who manufactures the LSA2's? And yes this is an interesting discussion and I do appreciate keeping it civil. It does no one any good if it degrades into making slanderous comments or language. This is after all just a hobby. We are all trying to seek the same goal that being the enjoyment of listening to recorded music.

Chuck
Cinematic Systems

What is your assesment of the 3.6's. And yes if you find a cheap pair of 7.2's I would very much appreciate an e-mail. Thank you in advance. This thread is becoming hillarious.

Chuck
Rtnl

I have become so caught up in this post that I forgot to give you my opinion, and it is just that my opinion. I would love a pair of 7.2's I currently own 3.6's. I listen primarily to classical and some female jazz vocls from time to time. I really enjoy my 3.6's and have simply not stepped up to the plate to buy 7.2's. Primarily because of my family situation which doesn't give me much time to sit and listen for what I feel is enough time to justify their cost. Hope all is well

Chuck

Lrsky

It seems odd to me that Jim Thiel would redesign/replace the CS 5i's with a speaker of an inferior design the CS 7.2's if he felt the original was a superior speaker. This is as I understand why he has not replaced the 3.6 because of his inability to build a replacement that exceeds their performaance. Although I have heard rumors that one is in the works.

I do know that my 3.6's are very sensative to placement and that they are very unforgiving to upsteam components. They also respond good or bad when I make replacement / upgrade decisions.

I do find it strange that there is such a variance of opinions concerning Thiel speakers in general. It seems people either love them or hate them. I maust have things setup pretty well in my system because I love my 3.6's and so does my wife who couldn't care less. I also know it isn't just me as I have a pretty good hear for music being a musician myself and going to several concerts (classical). But boy these 7.2's sure seem to get people motivated to express their opinions.

Talk about bad. I have listened to a pair of watt-puppies being driven through all Levinson electronics at a local dealership. Talk about sound that was non-musical and sterile; my gosh, I simply could not stand it. And were talking about $20k plus speakers and about $40k plus of electronics MSRP. But some people love them and swear by them. However; I am sure in the right enviroment they are very good. But not when I listened to them and that was on at least two occasions. I had to go back because I could not believe my ears.

Chuck
I am a mechanical engineer working in the automotive industry. I design and develop metal removal manufacturing process for crankshafts for internal combustion engines. Automotive being a highly competitive industry. I work very closely with designers to enhance the manufacturability of the component to improve both quality and lower costs.

Chuck
David99

I have a pair of 3.6's in amberwood I may be willing to sell when the time comes. Right now I really enjoy my 3.6's they image so well and the soundstage is wide and deep. I do not understand why anyone would think these speakers are not outstanding especially given their price. I would like a pair of 7.2's but it just isn't the time yet.

Chuck
Cimematic systems / lrsky

In the end this is just a hobby and what other peoples opinions are concerning how my speakers perform really doesn't matter. It only matters what my opinion is concerning my purchase. If we start buying based on other peoples opinions them we will never be satisfied with our decision. If when listening to music you are concerned with what other peoples opinions are of what you are hearing then you are not listening to the music for the right reason. When we read the comments of what a reviewer writes we must keep it in context and still judge for ourselves. So in the end we all need to act in a civilized manner this is not life and death struggle simply a hobby for us to enjoy. There are far to many personnel attacks in these threads in general in my opinion. We are in the end all connected through a similar interest that being this hobby. We should learn to treat each other with mutual respect and dignity.

You have your opinions concerning the 7.2's and the 3.6's for that matter and lrsky has his. Neither one of you is right or wrong. When someone solicits your opinion you then have the right to give your opinion. How much credence one places on that opinion is up to that individual. I have determine through experience that when one gives a strong opinion one way or the other there is usually an agenda associated with that opinion sometimes hidden sometimes not.

I personnally have enjoyed an continue to enjoy my 3.6's. I would assume the 7.2's would have a similar sonic signiture and that I would enjoy them as well. Although I will admit I have not listened to them extensively. Whether or not they represent good value is up to the consummer not someones opinion. The market place will ultimately determine the answer to that question.
Lrsky

Thanks for the input as I have enjoyed reading your comments; you have a very nice writting style. The way in which you describe the people who work at Thiel are exactly as I wou have imagined. In my phone conversations that is exactly the image they project and the quality of their product reflects this as well.

Have in mind that when a product pleases everyone it usually pleases no one. So while Thiel speakers are not every audiophiles cup of tea I take solice in the fact that they are mine and evidently many others as well. And that is what will keep us coming back.

Chuck