What’s really hurting the audio hobby?


Maybe it’s the audio dealer experience? Where else can newbies go to get started in this hobby. Isn't that where most of you got hooked?  Let me describe my latest visit to an audio store nearby. I won’t use the store name here, as that’s not the point.  Where I live there is really only one audio store left. That’s strange because I live in a very wealthy community. The Friday after Independence day, me and a friend went to this local audio store.  First time back there in years. We are both looking to upgrade. They have 3 audio rooms and two home theater rooms. The hi-end audio room (the store’s term) was an impressive room with extensive acoustic treatments. Mostly McIntosh gear. Sitting in the listening chair, you are looking at 600 watt Mac monoblocks running some nice tower speakers. A massive JL Audio Gotham subwoofer unit sat front and center facing the only listening chair. The McIntosh turntable was spun first. Sloooowww. It took my friend less than five seconds to point out the TT was running slow. The salesman had started to play Pink Floyd-Wish You Were Here, and it was noticeably slow. So the salesman flipped the switch to 45 rpm. Yes, that happened. He figured out it was too fast all on his own. Fiddle and poke at the TT for a bit and then the salesman said- "I’ll let them know it’s broke". Then he said he would just stream some music from a server. Bass! All you could hear was bass, and NOT good bass. He turned the subs down a little when asked, but all you could hear was tubby, muddy bass. The big tower speakers were overpowered by the sub.  I really wanted to hear what the main speakers alone sounded like, but could not get the salesman to shut off the subs.  On to the mid-fi room (the store’s term). The salesman tried to play us two different turntables. Neither turntable worked. One would not power up, and one was not hooked up to a system at all. Let me point out we didn’t care what source they used. I did say we both run analog and digital sources. Nothing interesting in the mid-fi room the first time through. Next room (no name) was a wall of bookshelf and small towers run by a wide selection of integrated amps. Not bad sound from some. Again, we were told this is “streaming quality audio”. This was the third time he mentioned we were listening to streaming quality audio. I took a guess at what that meant and asked if we could hear higher quality audio. So he took us back to the mid-fi room. He popped in a CD.I could not tell what CD equipment was being used. I think a Rotel integrated was selected. Everything in the cabinet was black faced behind dark glass. Not sure what CD it was either, but since he only had one, I let it go.

Big change! The Paradigm towers were now making good sounds. A big difference from his “streaming quality” demo. Next we switched to a pair of GE Triton 1s. I seriously might get a pair! They make nice sounds. By far the best thing we heard. There was more that happened that contributed to a poor experience, but I will move on.

Here is my point- What would anyone new to the hobby think of that experience? It took two seasoned audio guys pushing the salesman for over an hour before he played anything worth listening to. Would you buy anything from this place. Would you send a newbie in there? Let me know if I'm off base in thinking these audio stores are killing themselves off by the way they do business. Or is it just my misfortune that I have not been in a good dealer showroom in years?

vinylfan62

Showing 5 responses by keegiam

Some dealers may be a problem, but I think it's primarily decreasing demand for quality audio systems.  My interest was NOT born in dealerships (as you suggest), but from music lessons and playing in orchestras starting at age 8.  When I started playing records, I craved more realistic reproduction of the sounds I knew and loved.  Dealers became both a vehicle (re: equipment) and an obstacle (re: salesmen) in my quest.

On decreasing demand: younger folks aren't exposed to live musical performances that feature real instruments and voices as much as we were when I was a kid (BTW - get off my lawn!).  Their music world is dominated by digital facsimiles and convenient, on-the-go listening.  They mainly want to hear the beat, poetry and "sound" of the latest pop creations.  They're not developing a desire for a home system that better recreates the sounds we audiophiles crave.

Please don't offer anecdotal exceptions; this is my impression of a general trend, not an indictment of every single young music lover out there.  Just my $.02.
I'll take a 2nd shot and keep it brief.
Most younger folks don't seem to attend the type of live music performances that made most of us fall in love with the sounds we were hearing (whether acoustic or small-setting amped).

Too many are not even aware of wonderful musical sounds and are instead focused on digital devices that bring them a tinny facsimile of "manufactured" music.  That's all they know.

Yes, there is some renewed interest in vinyl, but it's a relatively small minority.
Some of the posts are straying kinda far from the topic, which isn't so much about changing tastes in music.  It's about loss of interest in high fidelity recording and playback (e.g., the "audio hobby").
Another factor is that high end is not mobile.  A prerequisite to assembling such a system is putting down roots - even if it's just an apartment. 

In my youth, there were only 2 audio goals: great home and car systems.  I wanted both, so I made the plunge into a top-notch home system in 1976, a year after graduating and having a "place."

I'm too old to know if this is part of the decline of the "audio hobby," but my hunch is yes.  Streaming, blue tooth, miniature components - these things are likely diverting young music enthusiasts away from high end to some degree.  Convenience usually leads to compromise.
@onhwy61

You're mistaking observations of generational trends for denigration.

The fact that younger generations don't hear music performed by (acoustic) instruments as much as we did decades ago is just that - fact.  How many youth regularly hear a french horn or piano played right in front of them?  It's not their fault - it's just the way things have evolved.

The question presented is: what's hurting the "audio hobby."  If the "audio hobby" includes high fidelity recreation of the sounds of musical instruments in real space, knowledge of those sounds is paramount.  Younger folks don't seem to value that experience as much as previous generations - thus the decline of the "hobby."

Criticism of changing musical content is another matter - that's been going on for over a century and isn't likely to change.