What kind of power wakes up electrostatic speakers

Well... I think I got it right from Innersound... If anyone can clear this up, please do. Thanks.

The Innersound amp is not a switching amplifier. It is a classical class AB complementary symmetry transistor design. The original amplifier had the bias on the output stage turned up to run in class A. Later a revision was made that put the amplifier into class AB operation (lowered the bias currents) and some negative feedback was also added to keep things under control. With this revision the amplifier now runs cool at low power. Of course, as power increases losses due also so the unit will heat up.

The Innersound is an excellent design. A very well executed class AB amplifier. Arguably this amp tosses the guantlet for the law of diminishing returns.

The ESL amps are actually Coda's low-end "Continuum" line. These should not be confused with Coda's branded line, which is quite superior in sound and quality to the Continuum. I've driven M-L CLS IIz with both a Continuum and the higher-end Coda 20.5. The Continuum worked well, but the Coda 20.5 was magical in comparision.

There are plenty of good amps out there for driving ESLs and panels. Lots of good advice here, but nothing beats listening in you own environment.

I own a pair of Acoustat selp-powered speakers and i do love them. I will not be upgrading before I check out the latest electrostatic speakers.

Practically, any high-current power amplifier would be able to drive electrostatic speakers, of course, with consideration also given to the minimum of watts recommended for that particular speaker (brand/model). Better, a good idea would be a direct contact with the speaker manufacturer that could advise you closely what kind of amplifiers -at least the brand- would be a good match. Finally, you will have to experience yourself and to decide which amplifier would be best for your electrostatic speakers, based on your particular setup, source of sound, cabling, room configuration, possibly more other factors (you might find a good high-current amplifier able to drive your electrostatic speakers, but you might not totally like the amplifier's sonic features).

OTL's and ESL's....a very synergistic arrangement!

For budget planning I have used 2 Crown PS 400s bridged putting out 600watts each and alot of current. They can get harsh at high volume but at a $700-800 investment this is a lot pf bang for the buck and extremely reliable. If you really want to see what your planar speakers can do, and face it that is why we upgrade, then a high current tube amp like ARC coupled with a tube pre will bring out the best of your speakers but this is not a budget route unless you find a good deal on the used market. I am looking into trying out the Accoustat tnt200 because these type of amps are specifically made for electrostats.

I have used a pair of Classe DR8 in mono with a Blue Circle 3.1 MK11 pre amp with CLS 11Z and this worked very well in a two chanel system.
I have also used the EAD Powermaster 500 on the CLS in 2 channel and in a complete ML system,in which the EAD drove 2 pair of CLS11Z and the Theatre Centre with no problems.

FWIW, the physics of ESLs do not help solid state amps out. That's why you see so many people saying how you need a big powerhouse amp. Here's why:

Most solid state amps will double power as the load is cut in half. What this also means is that the power is cut in half as the load doubles. A lot of ESLs have impedances in the bass region that are 16 ohms, and there are 30 and 50 ohm designs out there. A 600WPC solid state amp will make only 150 watts into 30 ohms...

Another issue is the ESLs are not voltage driven as is often suggested. True- at the panel itself this is probably the case. Unless the speaker is direct-driven with its own built in OTL high voltage amp, it has an input stepup transformer. This takes power to drive. The impedance curve of the speaker is based on the fact that it is a capacitor, and not a box with resonance, so the traditional argument for an amp with a 'constant voltage' characteristic is right out.

You need an amp that makes constant power, not constant voltage. To do that, you need tubes and you will need tubes with some power (the exception seems to be the Quad 57 and 63). 200 watts is usually enough though, and from looking above we see why: a 600 watt transistor amp will not make significantly more power than a 200 watt tube amp in this case.

Often the manufacturer wants to cash in on the transistor market, and so has set the bass frequencies at 8 ohms with the matching transformer. This can have the 20KHz impedance at 0.5ohm -hard for a tube amp. There are some Martin Logans set up like this. In such cases if you use a tube amp, you might also use a set of ZEROs for best results.

The Innersound amp seems to be designed to get around some of the issues I outlined here, but due to its need for negative feedback is not 100% successful. The constant power issue is daunting.

Since the 1950s, OTLs (now for the horn tooting) have been the classic combo with ESLs, probably because of the higher impedances used at the time and also because its one less matching transformer in the chain. We introduced the MA-2 in 1990 and the 2 primary speakers they seem to get used on are Sound Labs and Avalon Eidelons.

For the most part, ESLs do not strike me as inefficient. You can drive almost all of them easily with 100 watts if you can actually get the amplifier to make 100 watts on the load. *That* is the tricky part!

BTW, the idea of high voltage rails somehow helping out with the amp's ability to drive the speaker is not really true. Once you work out the math you see why- just keep in mind the speaker is power driven, not voltage driven and the reason will be apparent.

Very very easy answer to your question steakster a GOOD amplifier is all you need have been with Acoustat's for more than 25 years five different models i now live in a condo my living room is 14 x 20 i am presently using a Bow Wazoo XL 75 watts per channel integrated amplifier on Acoustat's 1+1s 82db speakers with no problems what so ever would i like more power the answer is yes do i need it the answer is no BUT you are always better with more power than not enough but i am talking about real watts i owned Classe DR3-VHC 45 watts per channel pure clas A power amp for 12 years with different Acoustat's and was very very happy but it's a big one 102 pounds and it eats up a room.

Whatta ya bet: Steakster's found an amp by now?