running three different ways - (1)via the 'web' player - computer (ESI [email protected] soundcard) into Esoteric G25U upsampler/into K03 dac; 2nd way is pretty much the same, but using their downoaded player, not their web player. The 3rd way is via my Squeezebox (ickStream) and that seeems to be the BEST way as I have no dropouts, no lagging, seemless playback, fast searches, etc. I actualy thik the SB may (may) sound better but still playing around. Tidal is AWESOME. I have discovered so much new music it is not funny. I am a kid in a candy store with my $19.95 subscription!
I stream Tidal from my MAC Book Pro Computer 2.9GHz Dual-core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost up to 3.6GHz Laptop computer to my Ayre QB-9 DSD DAC using the Synergistic Research Active SE USB Cable.
The MAC Computer is connected to the Internet using the Linksys PowerLine Home Plug AV Kit (PLSK400). The Linksys PowerLine Home Plug AV Kit (PLSK400) lets you pass through the existing power lines in your home (or office) into a high-speed network. There is no noise problem with the Ethernet over power since it runs on your electrical lines at a higher frequency than the electrical power. It has proven to be a very reliable connection. Connection problems are very rare. My video system, dishwasher and other home appliances do NOT interfere when I am using the Ethernet over power connection for my MAC computer.
I like using Tidal for streaming very much. The best part, of course, is the sound quality. In addition, I like selecting an album and then scrolling down for additional albums by the same artist.
I have an Aurender S10, and a few weeks ago Tidal streaming was added with the latest software update. So now I stream Tidal through the S10, then USB out to a Lampizator USB Transport, then to an Audio Note DAC.
I have ripped over 700 CDs with XLD and they're now stored on the S10. I've compared many of those rips to the same recording on Tidal, and I prefer Tidal.
I didn't mention my setup in an earlier post... I stream from my wifi to an iphone docked on a wadia 170i (upgraded welborne power supply), peachtree nova pre / 220 amp, monitor audio gx50's, signal canble silver resolution cables, pangea power cords.
I'm really surprised that a year or two ago I could not tell the difference between spotify and cd's but I heard the difference between spotify and tidal right away. Many songs that I know well sounded so different with all the underlying details / micro details that I thought they were remixes only to realize that they were the same songs. I've never had such a huge "hearing things for the first time" revelation.
Now that I've picked up on these nuances in the music, it would be hard to go back. Its like thinkjng your car doesn't have any dents, then one day you see a dent (that has probably always been there) and now you can't not notice it.
On a side note, I much prefer Spotify's user interface and music selection compared to Tidal. Tidal can be downright frustrating for me while searching. You have to spell the artists name perfectly or it wont pull it up. I can't figure out how to erase tracks that I've saved in folders created by me. Discovering new music is much easier and more intuitive on spotify also. I don't know which is easier; trying to convince spotify to up thier quality or convinve Tidal to increase thier music selection and improve thier interface.
One other thing I'd like to add is that these songs that sounded so much better on Tidal vs. Spotify didn't even have the "hifi" logo lit up on Tidal, so in conclusion, Tidals lower fidelity still blew away Spotify!!
I'm using ickStream, iPeng, a Squeezebox Touch, and an Auralic Vega DAC.
There's a big downside to this in that the Tidal library is not at all browsable using ickStream. There's no ability to "drill down" beyond the 100 items listed for a genre (and "Classical" is an extremely broad categorization, as are some of the other genres). You have to know what you are looking for and then find the search string that will locate it.
Search just gives you a limited listing of the results. Search on "haydn", for example, and you only get a list of 100 items, most of them crap. If you search on "haydn creation", you do get a good selection of recordings of that work.
I've only been evaluating Tidal for a few days. Some problems I've run into:
* Some dropouts a few days ago. Streaming has been smooth since.
* A few times, the stream spontaneously skipped to the next track.
* Tracks from the label MDG won't play.
The primitive search engine and lack of browsability are the most troublesome issues, though.
A word of CAUTION.
I have just been charged the full amount during the trial period without my knowledge. I get constant dropouts with the track stopping entirely within 30 seconds.
Now I can't even log in to manage my account to cancel. I get a server error message. Does anyone else have this problem?
I just started my trial period of TIDAL. I like it, but I probably won't continue it because I already have a Beats Music plan that covers our whole family for $15/month. The TIDAL sound is definitely a little bit better, though. Note that you have to run it using the Chrome browser to get the lossless stream. If you run it through Safari or another browser, it only streams at 320kbs.
My office system is: MacBook Pro (15" Retina) --> Wadia 121 DAC/Digital Preamp --> Bel Canto Ref 500S power amp --> Linn Majik 140 speakers.
Cables are Pangea USB, Kimber Hero XLR interconnects, Hovland Nine Lines speaker cables. I need a power conditioner, I think, though. My office building has pretty shoddy, old electric wiring, I think.
Ghosthouse - you can check your streaming rate by clicking on the "Settings" tab on the left side of the browser, and then clicking the "Streaming" tab.
I was listening last night in bed using MBP --> Wireworld Ultraviolet USB cable --> Centrance DACport --> B&O H6 headphones. It sounded nice.
I need a new USB to USB mini cable though. this one isn't flexible enough. Any recommendations? There aren't many out there.
Would this work?
Re Tidal, I haven't tried it yet. Very happy with Spotify. You comments about limitations on the Tidal streaming rate make me think I'll be staying with the Spot.
Interesting article, Jon. Thanks for posting the link. It certainly provides some good insight into the complexities of the music business and JayZ, in particular. On the other hand, I don't think it documents that Tidal is currently a complete disaster. Tidal certainly faces some serious challenges. While myself no fan of hip hop or the stars of that music genera, it did seem to me the author had an axe to grind.
Very simple setup for me. Ethernet cable from my network to a Hegel H160 integrated amp and Apple Airplay from an iPod Touch with the TIDAL app. Works beautifully. Had been using a Hegel H300 previously, but I really like having the Ethernet input on the H160. Definitely looking forward to the new Hegel H360 that's coming out late this summer as it will make significant improvements on the H300 and have an Ethernet input like the H160.
I play Tidal either through Logitech Media Server or the Oppo 103. I haven't done direct comparisons, but since LMS is USB 2.0 I expect it will be the most jitter-free of the two solutions, but I find the Mytek is a pretty consistent player regardless of source, unlike my previous DAC.
The Oppo Media app has by far the nicer interface. Logitech is fine if you have added music to your collection, or know what you are searching for.
I use LMS mostly for my PCM/DSD tracks I've purchased, listening to Jazz FM 91 (fabulous station!!) or the local KDFC classical
Bubble UpNP on an Android tablet outputing to JRiver on a PC via DLNA. PC connects to a Chord Hugo via usb. This allows CD quality Tidal through JRiver even though JRiver does not support Tidal directly. Bubble UpNP GUI is not as pretty as the Tidal app, but is fine on the tablet. You can always search and add to playlists on your PC.
It's been a while since I visited this thread. A lot has changed since then! Oppo now has the Tidal app incorporated in its menu. No need for an Pad, iPhone or a computer. Tidal's music selection and interface have also immensely improved. Another interesting development is the addition of MQA files to their growing roster; though for now these can be played only via laptop or computer. I've also heard through the audio grapevine that Spotify is now testing the field and will also, in the very near future, stream lossless audio. Wunderbar! The only fly in the ointment is that Oppo, in the future release of the UDP 103 4K player, will no longer have the capability to directly stream Tidal nor Pandora. WTH are you thinking Oppo?! Now the obvious question is: When Spotify goes lossless, which one are you keeping? Tidal or Spotify? He-he!
Modified Wyred Sonos Connect>Wywires coax digital cable>Dodson DAC 217IID>Pathos Twin Towers > Controlled by either android phone or Ipad mini.
I have a very good transport and honestly tidal streaming in my above setup sounds nearly identical to cd's playing through my transport so I am very happy. The modified wyred sonos connect is a very good value as it significantly cleans up the digital audio output compared to the stock connect. I also added an aftermarket powercord to the sonos connect which is plugged into a ps audio p300 power regenerator.
I have a very nice Dell laptop, quad core I7, 16 gigs of memory, 1tb internal hard drive, 4tb external hard drive, Windows10 Pro.
I have the Windows Tidal app installed, as well as iTunes, storing CDs I record as 44.1/16 AIFF files (plus some hi-res albums from HD Tracks), using the USB output into the DAC, then analog from the DAC to my pre-amp.
I also have Roon running on the Dell, using an iPad to control.
I used to access Tidal via the app in my music server, but find having this all on a Windows laptop means I can upgrade with changes as they occur.
I’m using a router via ethernet > Simaudio Moon Neo Ace w/ MiND module > Emotiva XPA Gen 3 two channel amp via the Moon pre-out > Monitor Audio Silver 8 speakers > controlled w/ iPad 3 using the MiND app.
To date, the sound has been superb, with zero dropouts or connection failures. I had originally planned to use a CD transport or NAS with ripped CD’s, but am finding it hard to spend the time or effort involved to rip the discs, considering the sound quality that I am getting streaming Tidal.
I went from several combinations of dacs/ transports/hi-end CD players many years ago to Mac mini/audirvana which I thought would do it for me, and it just didn't. I've actually gone extended periods in which I didn't listen to music just because it wasn't the same anymore with the mini.
Purchased the A10 2 months ago and I couldn't be happier. It's an all in one box that simplifies my system. Build quality and Aurender support is first class. Ease of use and Tidal intergration is flawless and SQ is excellent. I don't know how tidal does it, but I prefer their files over my counterpart ripped cds about 70% of the time, and that's just the standard 16 bit/44.1 albums. MQA is whole other thing.
Check out the Aurender discussion thread at Computeraudiophile.com.
Thank you for your input about the A10. The simplicity of having a "one box" streamer/dac/storage component certainly is appealing. I do read the Computer Audiophile forum. While there was a review a while back and there is a lot of discussion around Aurender products there seems to be little about the A10 and specifically from owners of the A10. How does the A10 sound vs some of your high end CD players? I currently have a Sony XA5400ES SACD player and am auditioning a Bryston BCD-3 CD player.
I can't comment about the DAC built into the A10 but I suggest you consider getting a model without the DAC builtin into the player/streamer and keep the DAC separate. This will give you the flexibility to change DACs if you don't like the sound of the builtin DAC. The Aurender players themselves are excellent. I can't be happier feeding the the Aurender into an Ayre DAC. I heard that the Aurender and Chord DAC is also a great combo.