what is jitter supposed to sound like?


I understand what jitter is from reading books and stuff. however, what kind of sound does it produce? I assume it is different from regular hiss....but I am not sure either.
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I think jitter sounds like the jingle of loads of money in audiophile manufacturers pockets for expensive products. The marketeers love the sound of "jittery" and fearful audiophiles who come forth, wallet in hand, with a concern that they have some intractable and immeasurable jitter problem with their system. (immeasurable problems are immeasurably hard and expensive to fix!)

Depending on which "experts" you believe it is either still a problem today or it is something that was caused by poor clock design circuits (or sharing of clocks) in the distant past of digital circuit designs like the early CD.

In theory over sampling is meant to drive jitter problems well outside the audible band where it can be filtered out. Also, accurately clocking things out using a buffer with a dedicated and accurate clock is cheap and is known to minimize jitter.

In theory it can sound pretty much like any other noise or distortion ....as the jitter creates low level frequencies that were not in the original signal. The problem is exacerbatted if jitter is significant and repetitive (as opposed to random) and therefore correlates to a specifc noise signal rather than whiteband noise. This should not normally be the case with most recent designs, even low cost ones.

This is what Bob Katz has to say on what it sounds like;

Here are some audible symptoms of jitter that allow us to determine that one source sounds "better" than another with a reasonable degree of scientific backing:

It is well known that jitter degrades stereo image, separation, depth, ambience, dynamic range.

Therefore, when during a listening comparison, comparing source A versus source B (and both have already been proved to be identical bitwise):

The source which exhibits greater stereo ambience and depth is the "better" one.

The source which exhibits more apparent dynamic range is the "better" one.

The source which is less edgy on the high end (most obvious sonic signature of signal correlated jitter) is the "better" one.


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Bombaywalla,

Thanks, I stand corrected. Oversampling does NOT help drive jitter outside the audible range (I was definitely confused there).

I believe, at most, oversampling or upsampling can reduce jitter wideband noise effects by the factor of over or upsampling. Also provided the output clock is not synchonized to the input clock...you can get further jitter benefits from a good upsampling circuit.

I agree with your definition of low cost...definitely Walmart is not where I would start for an audiophile system. I meant that you don't necessarily have to spend several thousands of $ to avoid jitter problems these days. Your clarifications helped.
I found this article on Jitter.

http://www.regonaudio.com/Jitter.html

REG describes the sound as an audible roughness in the case of the Stereophile test CD No 2. (Pure 11 Khz tone with excessive and specific jitter added, which created sideband noise smack in the middle of the most sensitive part of the hearing range...probably a worst case scenario)