What is it in MM that can give me goose-bumps? 🤔

@rauliruegas thanks for info.
I had been looking for xsv5000. 800 dollars with original stylus. can't afford that yet. 
I had tried jico stylus on other Stanton. it's horrid. wonder if it's the same case? 

@chakster what do you think about xsv3000 Pickering?or v15
I already have Stanton 780 and epc 205 ciiL and akg pm25 on the way. 

I for one... also haven't been very impressed with expensive Mc. yes more detail. but not really what turntable should sound like. I think phono should really sound like master tapes I listen to heaps of them 

what's the recommendation for high  compliance tonearm.? Victor ua 77 any good? 

@chakster thank you for listing out. I always wondered what's the fuss.
I'm one that agree with your thoughts on this 
had a friend for experiment with very expensive gear and Mc setup. tried a high end mm. it just blew his mind with 1/7 th of the cost. it's different but what matters it's music. it's way way easier to make music. 

Mc had always been very tough unless u get everything every thing right. it doesn't really deliver music wise if not done correctly . as I heard good Mc before. but mostly worse than digital audio. I always tease them, is this music or just excitable sound? 

why bother what happens in extreme frequency and there is more data in the 10k to 100hz region. of course good MM can go beyond that but doesn't over cook the frequency extreme  Thus we also conclude this debate ourself

actually I heard also very good MC

It's the 10k region to 100hz region that have the tendency to be bleached out, and noise vibration issue .. so unless we know what we are doing and take care of this . it generally won't sound better than MM. mm have worse speed. snap. extended sound. uninhibited and "detailed" 

poorly executed Mc. bleached. lack of room and body. hifi sounding. digital. lack of harmonics. 

in short good Mc can be very expensive to experiment.  maybe my friend had spent over a million through 40 yrs of mc and still.... only somewhat accomplished 
so that's our conclusion

the current mm setting way way more detailed overall if you add the middle frequency. 85 percent of slam and snap of Mc, but stage is way way huger, way better harmonic and insight . we all agree. its simply a more optimized setup 

oh my friend does appreciate your post.. he actually owned most of the lomc carts you mention. sme. goldmund. pushma. reeds.dr fecker. etc etc most of the hi end tt he had before. your point is proven and got acrossed loud and clear. thank you

@chakster 

good to know. 

Any carts that worth its time using jico? 

OK Raul thanks. 

this is difficult getting hunting for vintage.