What does one purchase after owning horns?

Once you get used to the low coloration of planers it will be difficult to enjoy ANY horn speaker.

Regards,

Unsound, just for the record, I have stated many many times that I own a pair of "Klipsch Lascalas" so maybe you were not paying attention.

04-26-11: Mrdecibel

And you are knocking Thiel's ...... LOL.

Once you have enjoyed the uncompressed sound of horns it's difficult to go to anything else-- 03-30-11: Tmsorosk

Tmsorak aren't you enjoying the compressed sound of your Revel's?

---- :)

My wish is to hear one of these amazing horn speakers Ralph keep speaking about, any chance in hearing one in Atlanta Ralph? Duke?

Regards,

Well think of it as punishment Dan ...:)

Well, you got your wish, dude. Another thread with "horn" in the title that was going ok. Then you couldn't resist taking a shot. And here we are. Once again. Ending on the same, old, tired theme of yours. -03-30-11: Dan_ed

You must be looking in the mirror and talking to your self again dude!

Check yourself ...... !!!!

Atmasphere , thanks for the response, i will make every attempt to hear such ...

Regards,

Well how does Wilson's, MBL, JM labs, Magico , et al , compare to horns , the OP needs to move on ...

regards,

Most recording studio's are large and could acommodate any speaker they choose . I've seen some giant speakers in those rooms .-Tmsorosk

Agree ...

Panel speakers suffer from having a diaphragm that is larger than the wavelengths being reproduced. This results in comb filtering and a highly variable with frequency and an uneven sound field with listener position. This makes them unsuitable for main monitors..... Shadorne

Painting with a broad brush Shadorne, not all panel speakers use one panel and suffers from such.Also the mains are never used for mixing, hence most sound like S*** and are very poor for accuracy, they are there mostly for DB/playback and to assist deaf engineers...

Regards,

Agree,

A panel speaker would not be the standard tool for a recording studio, but i have seen them in mastering suites...

Now ... What does one purchase after owning horns?

regards,

Chadeffect,

I would have to disagree, not everyone can deal with the coloration of horns , some can some can't and when driven with the right amplifier Apps don't lack for dynamics IMO.

Before the usual culprits tag in, this is Audio , no checkered flag, I'm expressing my opinion of what works for me and why, if you like horns and 120 db fine..

Stereophile:

"In selecting a speaker, especially at the highest levels of performance, individual likes and dislikes play important roles. Some people may be bothered by the Uno's residual horn coloration, even though its magnitude is small. "

The measurements are well ...!!!

http://www.stereophile.com/content/avantgarde-acoustic-uno-series-two-loudspeaker-measurements

Typical of what is seen on high eff speakers, very difficult to get high sensitivity and a good balance. the broadband level across the upper mids will push the sound forward and while big on details will have tonal issues and a poor balance as the Bass is sacrificed for the mid details and without hearing this particular model ( i have heard other AG speakers) it would be lean and pinky on pianos with an artificial air on violins, tubby dis-jointed Bass due to the excessive dip in the mid/bass/mid area.

Now many claim this type speaker is magic on SET's and this maybe true , SET's lack top end resolution vs SS, and a UNO on SS amps would have you ducking for cover IME.

I guess if you like to listening to 105db + in your home then i can see the attraction of Horns and based on Atmasphere's comments about horns and panel speakers having similar openness it is not far fetched to recommend he give a panel speaker a listen.

Yep a panel speaker with a sub might be the trick , as far as Apps go, i would recommend the mini-grand for his room.

Regards,

Hello Shadrone ,

There are 2/3/4 way panel speakers, why would they have a panel 2 large for the wavelength they are reproducing if they are using multiple panels/diaphragms .

Also my statement about studio main monitors and not using them for mixing, is really because of there low accuracy regardless of who builds them. You cannot get good or accurate sound quality from soffet mounted speakers, but i will acknowledge there are those who like that sound, again there is no accounting for personal taste in this hobby...

Regards,

Mapman:

Pass on Dan_Ed, such romper room banter is best left until he has had his milky.

Chadeffect:

It appears you believe the AG trio to be the best speaker on the planet, seeing that the OP has moved on and replaced his AG uno, could you give us an idea of your references..


Regards,

Driving Apps .. with Bel canto's .....!!!!!!

yes sah!

Dan_Ed

I see you are suffering from Myopia with a touch of dementia, for this is not a horn thread ! it's how do i move on from owning horn speaker, a simple detail easily overlooked by a zealot like yourself.

Now run off and drink your milky .....

Shadorne,

I'm surprised you could stop rubbing one long enuff to type your response.

Bugger off !!!

OK Shadrone ,

I see your beef you have soffet mounted speakers..... LMAO !!!

Mrdecibel..

You need to work on your reading comprehension , but not to worry by the time you leave the 7th grade things might improve.

I was present and exhibited at the NYC stereophile show and the reason for the many request was due to the "noise" honking out of that room, nothing else, very annoying to all , not just exhibitors and i'm also very familiar with BC and on a uno, well let me just say you would have to be tone deaf to live with that combination..

Heck based on the "noise" you were making back then, for sure you are...

Audiofeil:
Things could be worst than working at Walmart, i could be selling used hi-fi for a living from my living room ......LOL

Ohhh just in case you Horn zealots missed it, Renmeister has asked for other recommendations as he has moved on from owning horns and the tone is " jump back in " there is nothing betta ...

Check yourselves .................

I have never told anyone not to buy or use horns, unlike you I'm aware there are many who cannot live with the coloration, time and phase distortions of horns regardless of how much the music jumps out at them in the dark..

Regards....

Hifisoundguy,

Are you saying the 901S6V2 was better than your horns, interesting...

regards,

Low damping factor gives you a muddy ill-defined bass not more Bass...

amazing !!!!

radiation pattern control lack of distortion and efficiency

04-06-11: Johnk

Lack of distortion ? ... Interesting....

T-Bone the irony,

Anyway thanks for quoting me, gives your response some content .

Regards,

Duke's speaker is not an Horn .... Waveguide !!!!!!!

regards,

Very true swampwalker .....

regards,

Atmasphere,

Why do you say a dome tweeter cant handle more than 2 watts. I have done sweeps at 1,2,5,10.15,30 watts and never any deviation in it's curve, step or impulse response.

Drivers:

1. Dynaudio
2. Morel

All systems were tested as such before leaving the factory ..

Regards,

Ohh,

Atmasphere, I think you meant to say more sensitive than a dome tweeter not efficient.

For eg,

ESL's are very efficient in the bass, so there will be some some synergy with your high output impedance OTL's..

Regards,

Agree Tbg when last checked topped out at 16K myself and Dome tweeters are not at a disadvantage when used in the typical home environment and listening distance..

Macrojack are you saying you can't hear above 10K .Nuff said..

regards,

The OP has gotten out of horns and now the church attempts to drag him back in by flaming others.

Dan_ed, John-k, it appears the mods allow you guys to flame others without recourse. John-K why don't you try backing up your rhetoric with some real data, I mean you claim a lot, show something, instead you choose to flame others..

I'm not here promoting any topology, I have never told anyone to switch from horns, ESL, ribbons , Thiels or anything for that matter. It doesn't matter what you or the others think sound the "best", that's the choice we all have and make when we put together " our" system.

What i will not let pass is the Phoobie dust science you guys spew for reality, no! i will not allow such to go uncheck and i know enuff about horns to know they do not work for me, preferring speakers which are more time and phase coherent with low coloration...

Dig !!!

*Regular dome tweeters don't handle very much power (2 watts is common)………
*There are of course many tweeters than handle more than 2 watts,……….
*But 2 watts is indeed quite common……..

- Atmasphere

Ahh err, OK so let me see if i get this right, so as not to misquote you again.

Regular dome tweeters don't handle very much more than 2 watts, but many tweeters do and 2 watts is quite common?

OK so one can conclude that regular and common only handle 2 watts, but "many" handle more, so if one wants a tweeter that handle's more than 2 watts one would get a "many " tweeter and stay away from the "Regular" and "common" models.

Seriously Ralph forget about OTL Tubes and negative feedback, you are on to something better than Redbull.

Regards,

In actuality Ralph, I do agree with you more than you let on and i do understand your stance on horn speakers. Since i do not use OTL tube amps they will not work for me and in your case they work for you, because of your type of amplfication.

In the end regardless of how we spin the science each designer is putting his 2 cents on how things should "sound" , their interpretation and presentation of what one should expect..

IMO, Everyone is right, because so much is still wrong.

Regards,

Dan_ed, as usual you are wrong ....

Uh, huh ......

There are not many things we can be sure of , except rain comes from the clouds , sun lights up the sky and horn zealots know how to cry .

Thanks for making my case Decibel , your accusations have no recourse for they are lacking in substance.

There are many speakers available which are very dynamic without getting into horns, again you guys are here promoting phoobie dust science and ignorance by volume, a regular MO with you guys and when you dont get your way then it becomes personal.

Not everyone enjoys the discombobulated integration and coloration that multiple horns suffer from , if you like that , so be it , now try to understand that others dont and prefer to discuss just that.

* Macrojack has admitted to not hearing above 10 K
* you have admitted to selling horns,as a sales boy
* Duke sells a 2 way waveguide he markets as a horn
* Dan_ed is all about horns and promoting horns.
* JohnK sells horns .

There is ALWAYS A VESTED INTEREST WITH you guys and every conversation is crowded with more and more phoobie dust science and of course the most vile rethoric.

Myself i have 2 audio system and many speakers, dynamic, open baffle dynamic, ribbons, ribbon hybrids, ESL, ESl hybrids no horns , they dont work for me and i haven't told anyone here to get rid of their horns as you have about anything else that is not a horn, nor is your back handed approach necessary, rubbing up to the late JIM THIEL then putting down unsounds decision to buy one, look in the mirror your sanded mangina approach is nothing but weak.

There are ESL's that will blow the socks off any horn speaker in a domestice environment, as so ribbon, ribbons hybrids and multiple driver dynamic speakers, they have done so for decades and guess what , will continue to do so regardless of how many times you use your bully pulpit, i would also implore anyone interested to get out and listen not everyone requires 120+db to enjoy their music, but if you do i'm sure there is something for you..

Regards,