If you have heard xvx what speakers have you heard that are better for less money? Seems Jay just got XVX and can't help but wonder if there are speakers that perform better for example for $100k or less. Including used.
Notable Audio will be at Axpona 2023 Show.. we will find out how good they are then ! Michael Fremer has some Wilson Audio XVX’s and said the New POPORI Acoustics XR1.23’s sounded REALLY GREAT in the Feedback below !
at that level of speakers ($200k--$300k+) the room and system are more significant than the speaker itself in terms of system performance. what an ’uber’ speaker can deliver is less limitations to the performance ceiling you can reach. it can allow for your sources and electronics to fully deliver what they can do.
it’s an enabler.
however, it’s even more subject to garbage in <-> garbage out than a less capable speaker. you as a system builder are more challenged to rise to the occasion. that big speaker is throwing lots of energy into a room. good and bad things can happen.
so certainly a speaker for a $100k less can compete, depends on the system and the thinking and sweat equity behind it. price/value ratio is fuzzy as to ROI as you increase the price.
heard the aurion apollo at axpona last year 60k beat any and everything at the show 60k a large open back line array comprised of multiple stacked amt drivers that are a unique design crosssedover toa pair of subwoofers
the system somes with a trinov processor as a preamp crossover dac and room correction the system is 105db efficient so you need a small amplifier
the aplollo did it all a huge three-dimensional soundstage effortlessly filling the ballroom the highs were extended and airy
If I had $100K to spend on speakers to try to beat the XVX, I’d be looking the Lanche No. 7.2 at ~$90K. Specs are fairly similar, though the Wilson is twice as heavy.
Lansche can deliver similar tonal richness, if not more than Wilson, and the clarity is also incredible, maybe surpassing Wilson’s, with its proprietary Corona plasma tweeter. Best of all, where Wilson’s dispersion is typically very narrow and requires a vice grip listening position, Lansche’s dispersion is much wider while still delivering impeccable holographic imaging.
I am a dealer, but not for Lansche. You can contact High End By Oz for more info on them as Oz is the North American distributor.
Well not less than $100,000 but about 1/2 as much. I have it on direct authority from a respected reviewer that the Wilson Alexx V is better than the XVX and that he's not the only reviewer with that opinion. Perhaps alos look at the Laxia V if you are a Wilson fan.
There are many speakers that are on the same level with XVX for half the price. To Name few of them: Marten Coltrane/Mingus series, TAD Reference series, Vimberg audio, Von Schweikert audio, YG Acoustics.. etc
OP, I am confused. Is there a point to this post? Are you in the market for a set of speakers?
“Beat Wilson…” This is an ambiguous question. I have heard some incredible Wilson, Magico, and other well known expensive speakers. I can appreciate what they can do… but also, I have not wanted to own any of them. Why? Because of my values in sound. What I am looking for is different.
So if this is a real personal question… what are your preferences in sound… your equipment, budget, venue, and desire to swap out components to support the speakers.
If this is just a question for the fun of asking questions… just say so.
+1 @mikelavigne Your post is so very on point. How many times do we see folks with pricey large speakers that are shoe horned into rooms that are obviously not appropriate in any way for the speaker design. Many times a large screen TV is set up between the speakers, with absolutely no thought given to room acoustics or any other room aspect. IMO, anyone who is spending large on speakers with no idea as to how to set them up, or that does not have an appropriate room to house them in, along with a great acoustic space, is simply wasting their money.
How many of you that responded have actually heard these speakers? I’m guessing 99% of you haven’t so how can you say something is better than something you haven’t heard them or have personally compared your mentioned speakers to these Wilson’s in the same room using the same equipment?
@p05129 I have heard the XVX and the Lansche in different rooms with different electronics, but I still have a very clear understanding of what each speaker delivers. In my suggestion, I provided one that I thought would most closely resemble the sonic signature of the XVX but perhaps surpassed it for a lower price as the OP suggested.
Others have suggested incredible speakers (Borresen, Raidho, Vimberg), but they are all very different tonally from the XVX.
A friend recently took a Punt on a Speaker Purchase, the Speakers in question are not in the price league of the ones being spoke off in this thread, but are a Speaker known to compete favourably with Models costing £20K - £30K.
The demonstration was given by the owner, who has in the past few years rolled Speakers through their System to an approx' value of £100K.
The Room with the System and demonstration given, was claimed by my friend to be almost Cuboid in shape with a recess at the far end making it a Short Legged 'L Shape'.
My friend could not believe how the Room contributed to the sound produced from the Speaker. He claimed it was an extremely poor SQ and not any speaker was going to present will in such a environment.
It was quite obvious a different environment would be much more beneficial, a Price was agreed, and a Punt Purchase made.
Recently I have been demonstrated these Speakers in my friends system in Room that has been designed around the HiFi System as the main entertainment.
The purchase has proved to be great value for money, the demonstration has also been the cause of my re-evaluating my long-term adherence for the use of Electrostatics. I now believe, that for the first time, I have heard a reasonably affordable Floor Standing Cabinet Speaker that is a design to be a suitable alternative to ESL Design Speakers I am very familiar with.
The Speaker Design is one part of the equation, the room in use, the conditioning of the room/environment in use and the upstream signal production are all important factors in the overall equation to getting the best Sound Produced.
The most expensive Speakers can be as fatiguing as the sound heard in a Amusement Arcade if not given the correct environment to function in and not being sent a Signal that is made up with Low Distortion levels.
I thought if one “punted” on something, they actually took a pass on it, or didn’t do it. What exactly is a “punt purchase”? It’s obvious from your post that English is a second language, but I’m curious to know what this means. Thx
Define better… speakers he likes more? Maybe nothing, speakers that measure and sound more accurate…. Lots of stuff
I have never heard them so just speculation on my end. But honestly I don’t get the design? 4 ways are to keep the driver behaving in their ideal range and not out of band but the measurements show serious resonances and or strong defraction.
In the wilson family I personally would have chosen the Alexx V with a wilson sub controller to high pass and two subs tuned to the room. Wilson’s own subs or something like duel Gothams and let them work their room correction magic. The room/bass interaction is the final frontier.
I heard the Wilson’s and later heard the LIPINSKI L700E Signature in the same room. Your amplification is already included with the Lipinski. The Wilson didn’t have a chance in this competition, my opinion of course.
only heard the XVX once at Axpona and it was crap, a mess, with D'Agostino Relentless amps. it did look impressive.
i just assumed it was the room and set-up and don't hold the speakers or electronics accountable at all for the sound. maybe by the last day of the show it had improved, but i never returned to that room.
rooms at shows should only be used for positive perceptions regarding gear.
It all comes down to preference. Here is what I would purchase if I was looking for a pair of speakers today.
The Dynamikks re $20K and the next model up is $30K. They are open, dynamic, have details, slam, and are musical. Easy to drive. Just heard them again with the Line Magnetic 20wpc intergrated amp around $4200 and they would be hard to beat even with that set-up. I have heard the new Wilsons set-up by Wilson recently with top of the line components. Nice but they are not the same sound as the Dyna's. The Dyna's deliver bass, clarity, dynamics that most speakers cannot match at any level. Read about their design and drivers.
OP have you heard Austin Acoustic. These are probably the best system and speakers I will ever hear on my entire audio life.Wilsons,Magico and all good speakers. I've heard them at axpona but they were never properly set up, at times they play them to loud? The room is not even capable to absorb the energy.
If the room would accommodate them, I haven’t heard a more coherent and well balanced reproducer than MBL Radialstrahlers. German Physiks maybe or for old schoolers like me Ohm’s best. In principle I like the coherent cylinrical wave better than dentist chair sweet spotters like Wilsons.
@ozzy62The description offered to myself when I received my demonstration in the new owners system, which I am very familiar with.
Has been that the Speakers although not impressive in the demonstration room, were still able to show that something was present that could be referred to as a attractive trait. It was felt a much more attractive presentation could be achieved with the set up environment being better thought out and the Signal being sent, being one that has a Low Distortion.
A Offer was made that was quite close to the Drive Units Value only. The Xover for this design are known for the expense attached to the Parts and the Cabinets produced for this design is a very high quality, where the structure has real benefits for the Speakers Performance.
The offer was accepted, hence the 'Punt Purchase' having taken place, as there was a 'gamble' in how the speculation for the Speaker would present in another environment.
Too many purchases for HiFi today are able to be referred to as a 'Punt', as many individuals are buying without the knowing how a item performs and especially how the new item will present in the System it is intended to be used.
OP last Year at axpona Ive heard Magico speakers the same model. The one set up is on the ground floor, with synergistic cables and conditioners.Thry are using very expensive gear as well.The demo guy knows how to show off the system? This system is unbelievably good.The volume is perfect for the room. The other set up on the higher floor don't have the same cabling and good coonditioner ,components.The sound is still good but nowhere close to the ground floor set up.The speakers will only give you what you feed them.If you are patience enough to to choose the right speakers, and feed them with the right gear? You can easily have a system or speakers that can outperform the Wilson you mentioned.
+1 to that. Concerts seems to either have terrible speakers, the volume is far to loud, or terrible acoustics. We typically only go to only certain venues because they get it right. Otherwise, why pay the several or many hundreds for a concert.
I think the price debate is wrong, it is not the right way to look for the materials that fit us.
It's not about beating Wilson or Magico and consort, for less or more, it has no interest.
It's good to read the opinions of Jay, Jeff, Paul,..., but nothing beats a personal listening.
Everyone should be able to find what they need according to their means.
You have to start with the basics and ask yourself the right questions:
in which room we will listen to our Hifi system
what are its dimensions,
what acoustics has this room
what is my auditory sensitivity,
what are our musical tastes
what emotion I am looking for
Any purchase of this type of material requires hours of listening, days of testing, change: cables, electronics, sources, positioning, sector, etc. ...
It's a very long process, there is no absolute truth, everything is a question of sensitivity that is specific to each of us.
Everything is very subjective in the Hifi, there are so many parameters to take into account.
I am sure that there are several brands of speakers that are as powerful and musical that will meet our expectations.
You also need to find a dealer who will listen to you and point you in the right direction, but that's another debate.
I have auditioned Estelon but not XVX but I trust Stereophile reviewers’ ears.
Quote: "When the Wilson Audio Specialties XVXes were installed here almost a year ago, Christy Moore’s "So Do I" from the album This Is the Day provided a benchmark for placement. Moore’s voice could sound hooded or lacking weight in one spot, muffled in another spot, or just right, with clearly articulated lyrics in yet another spot. With the Forzas, I almost couldn’t make Moore’s voice sound less than ideal as I moved them inch by inch toward and away from the front wall. The touch of artificial reverb carefully tucked behind his voice was apparent wherever the speakers sat, perhaps more clearly revealed through the Forzas than through the XVXes. This proved true at both high and low SPLs." end quote ~ Michael Fremer | Oct 22, 2021, Stereophile