What about diamond cantilever/stylus combo


In the so called 'MM thread' J. Carr explained the differences between cantilever materials.The advantage of aluminum cantilever being that the stylus can be pressure
fitted while by the so called 'exotic cantilevers' the stylus need to be glued in the cantilevers. There are different conditions which the cantilever need to satisfy
in order to ,uh, satisfy the preferences of an designer. J. Carr also explained why he prefers boron cantilevers. Now I own the Sony XL 88 as well as the Sony XL 88 D.
'D' referring to the cantilever and stylus made from one piece of diamond. But here is my confusion. Both carts have the same 'generator' and also the same technical specs. But 'soundwise' they are as different as an Lada and an Ferrari (by way of speaking or by exaggeration). The comparisson between French wines as well between the French chief cooks come to mind.BTW the pudding will also do. Without any technical pretenitons I would think that the only explantion for the mentioned difference should be the diamond cantilever/stylus combo. If it was possible I would gladly retip my chosen MC carts with such cantilever/ stylus combo and pay, say, $1500 for the jewel. Now if there is demand then there should be supply? The question is if there is 'interesting demand' for the possible producer(s)?

Regards,
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Yogiboy, Such wines are not meant for drink but to show
off with and talk about. Our diamond on the other side is
supposed to earn its money by hard and complex work.
Yogiboy, To get some idea how imagination works you need only to look at whatever thread in our forum. There are always members who talk and judge about components they have never heard nor even seen. There are even members who can imagine distortions in a system in Australia all the way from Mexico.
Hi Terry9, The same conclusion can be deduced from Carr's
explanation. Regarding the wine comparison I have seen some
for 10 K for a single bottle. In this context your Koetsu
may look 'modest' or even 'cheap' but what I had in mind
should cost, say, max. $1500. But because of such a 'huge
interest' in this thread I am very sceptical about my own
'demand assumption'.

Hi slaws, I am not sure if in the 80is laser technology existed.

Well of course diamond , say, polisher. There are many ''old

diamonds'' which we the mortal souls can't afford. The old rich

could not show off with expensive cars or yachts but well with

jewels. The most talented diamond polisher were used for such

jobs like Michelangelo for church paintings. They were regarded

as simple workman then but become ''artist'' later.

While we all know that dead is unavoidable the grieve for those

we love or admire is also unavoidable. We just lost Ikeda and

now (the younger) Mori san. In his Sony time he invented this

8 form coil former as well  ''potting'' the inside of the cart body

to ''tame'' resonances. His XL series MC carts was meant to

give Sony some kind of leadership in this domain of analog

designs. His XL 88 D was the most expensive cart in the 80is

in Germany : 5000 DM. Back than one could get an Volkswagen

for less. According to some the best MC ever made.

We in Europe force people to retire at 65 . Probably in order to

''make place'' for the younger and because our pension funds

make ''decente life'' after 65 possible. The curious situation in

Japan seems to be  that people there work till they ''drop dead''.

From my comrade Don (Griffiths) who was/is very fond of those

JICO SAS styli I heard that Mori san made those SAS styli

for Jico.

I was curious how this ''tension wire'' in SAS styli was possible

to ''install'' with just one adjustment screw? Anyway the other

Japanese curiosity is the ''other combo''; being genius designer

AND master craftsman. To name few there are Ikeda, Takeda ,

Sugano , Mori , e.a.



My dear brother Griffithds, I am even more impressed with ''our''

economist who can predict economic development in 10 years

time but have no idea what will happen tomorrow.

Dear slow, Social differences have nothing to do with technology.

By thinking about rich and poor I remembered this curious

''deviation of  Greek religion''. This religion somehow connected

Eastern with eggs. The eggs needed to be painted by Eastern and

 I remember my desperate mom  because she was not able to buy

any paint. I had no problem at all with unpainted eggs considering

our poor situation. The eggs in their natural form , my dear friend,

were considered as a luxury. But look at those rich Russians. Their

most luxurious jewel designer Faberge made more than 40 for

the king. You have no idea what those eggs cost by Christie

auctions. Ergo ; there is no hope for the poor because even the

eggs are not allowed to them.

@hdm , Probably ''small world'' because I was informed by one

of my Polish friends about this adventure. He proudly informed

me that ''they'' can get boron cantilevers with ''glued in'' micro

ridge styli for an ''reasonable price '' . My question was if they

want to try to install them by them self in the so called ''joint

pipe''? For the retippers this job is the most attractive one:

gluing the whole combo in the ''aluminum tube'' behind and

charge 500 euro for the job. Even my old friend Axel Schurholz

refused to do the more difficult job of gluing only the stylus in

the original cantilever for 250 euro. He got so many orders from

''everywhere'' that he could afford such attitude. Thanks to

me among other because I made P&R for him in our forum.

Cost me 500 euro instead of 250 + 6 months waiting time instead

of 2 weeks (grin).

Dear slaw, I learned from Frege, the German logician&

mathematician that if one has an clear thought he can express his

thought clearly. Those who say to lack words to express whatever

confuse dictionary with thinking.  That I am not able to understand 

your post may mean that I am not sufficient intelligent to ''grasp''

your thought or that you are not able to express your though

clearly. You obviously considered only the first mentioned possibility.

Dear slaw, there are diamond cutters and polisher for ages.

You probably have no rich members in you family (grin)

Alas I am neither of those two. Anyway this is may suggestion

for your search.

Dear chakster, We all can see what  we call ''styli  shapes'' but

can one see the difference between, say, Van den Hul shape and

Shibata shape? Both got patents for their design. This means that

they are different otherwise patent would be not granted. What we

call ''shapes''  the diamond industrie calls ''facets'' . The more facets

the more expensive (jewel) diamond the color included.

So only some diamond grinder or polisher can explain how those

''one piece diamond styli combo's'' can be made. We have very

similar ''picture'' about MC generators. Those looks like our Eastern

eggs which you in Russia also know. The ordinary eggs look

like twins but painted kinds look all different (grin). Faberge kinds

are the most exclusive and only meant for the kings and the very

 rich.

Dear dover, I do know that you in New Zeeland have holy water

but ''obviously'' also some ''mean poisons''. You are a kind of

master in putting the poison in your post. But the known saying

''Diamonds are for ever'' is misleading because one of those 2

pieces need to be ''retipped'' after , say 1000 hour of use. In

this case the owners of ''one piece diamond + stylus'' are

probably the dupe. Consider , say, Coral stone with one piece

diamond + for 15 K and worn out  stylus.  Should such person

take ''your poison'' to kill himself?  While with some disadvantage

in terms of ''sound reproduction'' the two pieces diamond has

at least 14 K advantage. So, obviously, the glue is not a bad thing

at all (grin). However , except in terms of luxury, there would be

not much difference between boron and diamond cantilever.

Dear chakster, you seem to suggest that ''little bit glue'' is no

glue at all. This remind me of this young man who by way of

comforting the parents stated: ''your daughter is little bit pregnant''.

Dear dover, I somehow always expect scientific arguments from

you. The (single) case of the previous owner of your TT is

not very convincing argument for whatever. I already mentioned

that according to ''some'' the Sony XL 88 D is regarded as the best

MC ever made. ''Some'' may mean more than one person. But

neither argument is convincing.

Dear Dover, We obviously agree in the sense of your first sentence.

But we have some problem with  the quantifier ''some''. This is

not an referring expression (aka ''name'') as can be grasped by:

''someone has stolen my car''. But when '''some'' is substituted

with an name like a number for a variable then at least one can

know what is stated. There was a time when many confused

''veritas'' (truth) with ''auctoritas'' (authority). In our Western

civilisation Aristoteles ''ruled'' for 2000 years with his authority.

Till Galileo refuted his physics and Frege his logic. I used to

have about 5 different HIFI Magazine  till I become A'gon

member in 2007 . I preferred our discussions above all

the praising in the magazine and terminated all my  subscriptions.

While we all (?) like our own pudding the most we like to see

that others have the same opinion. A kind of confirmation of

our own (good) taste (grin).