My award for the strangest post i've ever read in these forums. :)
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Obviously for pure power an additional system in the same room has to sound louder - what you describe must really rock!
By feeding stereo in front and behind the listening position you may cause a confusion of the soundstage and increase the comb filtering. (peaks and troughs as you move within the room and an airy atmosphereic sound).
How about some pics?
Have you swapped the R & L channels in the "rear" speakers so the channels are consistent front to back?
My Denon 3801 has a Five Channel Stereo DSP setting that sends a stereo signal to the front pair, rear pair and center channel. I don't know the channels are assigned, but it's a fun, room-filling effect for general listening.
Instead of Your system's 2 speakers trying to reach the back of the room;The 2nd system's speaker's in the rear play just loud enough to reach your ears.
So with 2 independent Stereo system's I am easily able to fill EVENLY the room with sound.
The Idea, was never to have 2 system's blowing sound at each other!
Just like in a picture where every color is reresented perfectly and evenly.
In Audio, to have successfully been able to consistently accurately make music,and at some of the lowest levels, with so many speakers front and back.
The Ears don't lie.
Especially after listening to live, recorded,music in so many different area's;Studio listening, outdoor concert's, Jazz club's, after hearing real Music and to see the music being played...You begin to demand more out of your listening experience at home.
The given room becomes "Locked-in" in terms of; the slightest background sounds, are now right up front.
Soundstage takes on a whole new meaning!I basically Filled"The Audio puzzle".
No overloading the front or back with more sound.
The front at "O" Flat on my Melior pre-amp. the sound fills the front to where I sit perfect.
The rear at the lowest setting on my Musical Fidelity pre-amp. like the front;The sound from the rear reaches my ears perfectly.
No overlay...That is why instead of having to turn the Volume up with one set of speakers,at mere idle the sound is clear enough to hear every single detail.
If I should decide to "dust off the cones", I certainly will first turn my rear speaker array in the same direction as the front...and stand way back.
I didn't do quite like you did but I had 2 systems into 1 years ago.
I had a Arcam FMJ 23 cd player with dual outputs.
Each output ran into there own FI Y preamp.
Then each preamp ran into 2 Onkyo M-504 amps for a total of 4 amps.
Each amp ran into a pair of Klipsch KLF 30 speakers total of 4 KLF 30's
Each pair of speakers had a dedicated amp for the horns and a dedicated amp for the woofers with these four speakers I had a total of 8 12" woofers.
I controlled the bass on each side with 2 Macintosh bass EQ"s forgot the model
The system was incredible when I moved into a new house in Florida I think we had the cop's at the house 3 times because it was so loud.Party time I am sure we all remember those days. Right?
I remember one afternoon my buddy came over and we put on some Motley Crue turned it up and walked down the block to see how far we could hear it.
That was blast.
The louder I turned it up the better it sounded not harsh at all even with the horns.
The good old days.
Pauly, Why the insult? Did I insult You?
This forum is new to me, true I started 5 threads;Is there a problem?
Are you the "thread monitor"?
Because I am new to this, I started a thread and I thought the moderaters denied posting it.
So I changed the subject, but being new to this I did not know.
Then after a few hours all 5 threads were up and I only wanted 1.
But Pauly, I thought this was all in "FUN", so why offend me?
"Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge,You will be judged; and with the same measure you use. it will be measured back to you."Math.7-1
"Bless those who perscute you; bless and do not curse."Romans12-14
"But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall burn with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."Rev.21-8
If the TRUTH hurts, I can't help that...but if my threads bother you, then move on, don't HATE.
My intention has never been to be hurtful in any way.Lighten-up!
Shake it off Bshabaz. Maybe he didnt mean it. Sometimes it just comes out wrong. It didnt sound like hate to me though. Just ribbing at you a bit, albeit enthusiastically. Anyway, I thought your post was fun.
"Set an example of good works yourself, with integrity and dignity in your teaching. Your message is to be sound beyond reproach, so that the opponent will be ashamed, having nothing bad to say about us." Ti 2:7-8
Warren...Distortion...you guys are being far to kind.
Bshabaz...you state that you started 5 threads that you assumed Audiogon did not accept and that "all of sudden...there they were"
LO AND BEHOLD
I call B.S.
I would believe you if all the threads were started on the same day...however...they were started on 1/7...three on 1/10...and a final one on 1/18.
That hardly supports your "why aren't my threads showing up theory...I had better repost" theory.
Not to mention...pretty much every one of your threads were nonsensical trolls.
if you didn't like what you heard...what did you do?
YOU BROKE OUT THE CRAZY BIBLE QUOTES
I'm not meaning to offend any people of faith here...but really.
WTF is that all about.
Just because we call you out on your utterly ridiculous posts (which they in fact are...utterly ridiculous...not to mention...they are little more than trolls) You break out your learning bible and start throwing garbage quotes around.
like this one...
WTF...so because YOU were called out, teased...whatever...WE are now murderers, sexually immoral, liars...yada yada yada?
Ellery, bless my soul. You are the man. Bshabaz57, you're a sicker puppy than I thought. I'm trying to work my program and give you the benefit of the doubt. You must go now. Never to post again? Well I think you should take a break for a while. There are excellent medications out there. We on the 'gon should know, we're all on something...lol..don't go away mad...just go away...seek some healthy pharmaceuticals, come back, try again with another (hopefully, sane post) thread, and we'll let you know if you can stay...peace, warren :)
What is wrong with YOU people? While I'll admit that I have found some of B...57s writings obscure, they are not totally absurd, but actually somewhat reasonable. My criteria for this judgment is not what a bunch of audiophiles would think, but how would a bunch of normal, non-audiophiles think if they stumbled across this forum. The normal people would find absolutely ridiculous the recent thread about spending thousands of dollars on upgrading power cords FOR A POWERLINE CONDITIONER! How about the post(s) where an audiophile states he has a great speaker that sounds wonderful, but he wants to upgrade? Normal people think that sort of behavior is really strange. You simply don't hear people talk like that when they trade in their cars for something new. To normal people, and I speculate, placing multiple speakers, particularly if you already have extra speakers sitting around unused, in a room to fill the room with sound everywhere, kinda' sounds logical. Certainly more logical upgrading power cords.
Remember the post about why audiophile behavior and habits don't appeal to the wider population? Search the archives, it's a fascinating self-examination of our subculture. All I can say is our appeal will stay a minority if we chase away every contrarian audio opinion who chooses to post here.
It's not the subject of Bshabaz57's threads that offends me, it's the self righteous religious tone he takes when defending his point. I can't see the relevance of using Biblical quotes to support an argument concerning audio. When you defend your point with a rational that boils down to, "I'm right because God says I'm right," you have lost any credibility.
Is there anyway we can get trolls like Bshabaz banned off the forum? I am not really religious, but I think the context in which he used biblical quotes has crossed the line. I hate to see this otherwise audio-insightful forum being abused by spotty faced teens in desperate need for attention. The garbage he posts is an insult to anyone with an interest in audio.
I dont mind his Biblical quotes in the least. Personally the more the merrier for me. Its a great Book and its Wisdom is boundless.
I found the post somewhat humorous. It certainly wouldnt make me angry. But at the same time, I wouldnt call someone a hater based on such insignificant evidence as a single passionate post.
Following up to say that my good friend and beloved life partner B. Shabaz passed away today, and has gone on to his reward. He never quite got over the shellacking he received in this forum, and his final years were full of bitterness and recrimination. At least I think that's the case, but it may have been the effect of so much comb filtering. Please say a prayer for my friend and never, ever aim your speakers at one another in anger.