From TAS : The front baffle is angled backwards to time-align the drivers by placing the acoustic center of the tweeter behind that of the woofer. This also helps to match the sensitivity of the woofer (88dB) with that of the tweeter (91dB) without the use of a resistive pad. The tweeter is crossed over at 3kHz using a single capacitor, and that’s it; there are no other passive components in the signal path.The reviewer hasn't a clue what he's talking about. The baffle slope isn't enough to time align the drivers. If there is only a single cap, that means the woofer is run full range and dependent on its rolloff - which is likely ragged and resonant somewhere in that region.
I bought them to compare to a set of Fritz Carrera Be speakers and i thought they sounded way nicer in my system than the Fritz, then i found a set of Harbeths for a great deal. The Harbeth were the best for me after about 10 sets of speakers. I was going to keep the Watkins for maybe a 2nd system, but that will probably never happen.
here is a vid of the watkins:
I will be happy to discuss our speaker and answer any questions that you may have directly including our cost to manufacture them and the reason for the price increase. My contact information and phone number is on our website www.watkinsaudio.com.
Tom, we will take you up on your offer and buy your Gen Fours if they are still available. Email me.
BTW, the post by IEALES is disrespectful and inaccurate.
@phastm3 Interesting observations. I heard Fritz Carrera and Harbeth 30.1 at CAF, different rooms, significantly different systems. I like both very much. To me neither blew away the other (the $$$ Gamut was another issue). If forced to choose I'd probably have gone with the Fritz, for the bass extension. Never heard the Watkins.
Interesting conundrum. If team A beats B, and B beats C, what happens when C plays against A?
Margot--for my home system I am using a Yamaha A-S1100 integrated amp, a Yamaha CD-S2100 (cd player) and a VPI Prime Scout turntable with an Ortofon 2M Black. Love the sound. I have been collecting vinyl most of my life and have a huge collection. Listening to it on this system has been such a joy. Best, AW
My system is a Vinnie Rossi LIO integrated amplifier, Line Magnetic 515 CD player, Rega RP6 with Hana SL cartridge, and KEF LS50s. I've been really happy with it! (And adding the Hana SL cartridge a few months ago made a huge difference.) Sometimes I get the itch, though, to take another step with the speakers. And I've really wondered about the Watkins! But my listening space is small, and they are bigger than the KEFs. I'm curious as to whether they would work as well nearfield...I will probably do a demo at some point to find out. In the meantime, I would love to know how your office system works out! Happy Thanksgiving! Margot
BTW, the post by IEALES is disrespectful and inaccurate.Sorry Bill, but the post is accurate.
All drivers have a high frequency resonance. For Peerless 6.5" woofers it can clearly be seen here https://www.tymphany.com/transducers/sds-160f25cp01-08/ and here https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/peerless-woofers-6-7/peerless-830657-6.5-sds-woofer/ at about +10db. Response is quite ragged above resonance and increasingly bad off axis. NOTE: This is a driver property governed by physics and not a reflection on the Watkins Gen 4.
It appears the baffle is sloped about 13mm which is enough to offset the 14mm lead from the first order 3k, but no where near enough to account for the 35mm+ acoustic center discrepancy between the woof and tweet drivers. NOTE: This is not a defect of the Watkins Gen 4, but an indication of the reviewer's lack of understanding of loudspeaker fundamentals.
By all accounts the Gen 4 is a pleasing loudspeaker. Were they not 2800 miles away, I'd go have a listen.
I don't review for any magazine.
I've been involved with HiFi since the late 50's, worked as a [Grammy Nominated] recording engineer, built studios, designed electronics for professional film and recording studios.
Modifying a woofer will move, but not remove, a resonance. A 10db resonance is likely to be fairly audible.
Let me say that I respect ieales221's history and experience in the recording industry, a field that he must know very well.
However, his posts ARE incorrect in many ways. First, his links are to a cheap Peerless woofer that does have a horrific high frequency roll off, IT IS NOT THE ONE THAT WE USE. Second, his definition of woofer resonance is misleading. All drivers have a mechanical resonance in their LOWER range and the drivers can be modified by varying mass, compliance, enclosure type /volume, and by adding shorting rings etc. to change the frequency and amplitude of this resonance. The "ragged above resonance" term ieales221 used was describing high frequency roll off. Its frequency is influenced by inherent inductance, mass, etc., and its "smoothness" by the cones material, shape, surround, dust cap, and break-up. Break-up being when the cone flexes and no longer works as a true piston causing harmonics due to the physical reflections from the cones outer edge and surround. Our woofers are modified to have a very smooth and linear roll off, and to work with our dual tuned enclosure for an extended and controlled bottom end. And third, our Gen4s are time aligned. The front slope is 5.5 degrees, being 14" tall with the top tilted rearward 1.375" (35mm) from vertical. Determined by pulse response and listening evaluation with the speaker placed on a stand with it's center close to ear height.
This is my last post concerning this as I do not enjoy refuting misinformation that casts a negative image on our product or other people. It is my attempt to clarify and correct not cause contention.
Again respectfully, Bill Watkins.