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Warm, rich sounding interconnects?
My system is in flux at the moment with a Wadia Intuition 01 as preamp/amp/DAC bookshelf Tyler speakers and (horror of horrors) an iPhone with an Auris bluetooth connection for the current audio source. Since bluetooth at best sounds somewhat thin and tilted up on higher frequencies, it doesn’t play necessarily well with the Wadia which is great sounding overall but also can be on the revealing side.
I know I should get a better source - but even so I’ll always want the option of wireless in various situations. I’ve owned Purist Audio Museaus’s (rev-c’s) in the past, which would be perfect, but sadly sold them on A-gon some time ago. Those are hard to find and the newer Purist cables are brighter sounding.
So in a nutshell I’m looking for interconnects which will deepen and darken the sound for my current setup - and new/used for under $400. Any ideas?
I know I should get a better source - but even so I’ll always want the option of wireless in various situations. I’ve owned Purist Audio Museaus’s (rev-c’s) in the past, which would be perfect, but sadly sold them on A-gon some time ago. Those are hard to find and the newer Purist cables are brighter sounding.
So in a nutshell I’m looking for interconnects which will deepen and darken the sound for my current setup - and new/used for under $400. Any ideas?
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I guess my input on this ends since my last post was removed by a moderator. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- “There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” ― Isaac Asimov |
Ok rotarius, I failed to see that your point focused on intellectual property. Your post seemed more interested in discussing your politics of denouncing corporations and executives who all they care about is the results at the end of the quarter and their own bonusesand how quality suffers, ..... but by then these guys have moved onYou seemed to know exactly how corporate executives think and how they line their pockets on the backs of the poor bloke who makes 5 bucks a dayEspecially in audio, there are many companies whose owners stay the course through thick and thin, over many years and, while they may make compromises and even outsource to meet market pressures, still stand behind their products and maintain quality. In America, at the end of the day, the consumer votes with their wallet. Corporations who do not provide value typically do not survive the competition. |
czarivey, I agree with you on both accounts. I believe most (inorganic) things can be explained by math (and physics) and so of course I am skeptical of audiophile products that require a large amount of advertising and a groundswell of support on forums to develop a cadre of believers. Years of participating in this hobby, and working with various well-regarded manufacturers who have helped me purchase and modify my gear, has only increased my skepticism. Regarding boxing, Mike Tyson said it pretty well, "Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth." |
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@mitch2 I love boxing, because it's the best educational sport ever made on planet! The key phrase of referee "Protect yourself at all times" is extremely important and useful. A single punch or quantity delivered to opponent drastically increases one's awareness and improves speed of thinking and tactical flexibility within certain rules. Aside of political matters or politicians, the quality of aka counterfeit Chinese products -- guess what? -- increases and soon will overwhelm these so-called authentic stuff that is worth no more than few minutes of labor to create pair of hook-up wires + few more pennies for raw materials. Another educational subject that I really like is math, because any dogmatic or delusional case can be easily revealed by building a simple math equation or matrix of such! |
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czarivey, I have worked in engineering across several industries. All the components for equipment "made in USA" came from China. Even small stuff like nuts/bolts and o-rings at times. These US company execs don't care if the parts are copied and even sold to competitors. Why is that?Because all they care about is the results at the end of the quarter and their own bonuses. They stick around for a couple of years and move on to the next place. It does not take a genius to source everything from China and improve margins. Obviously quality suffers, I see it all the time but by then these guys have moved on. The source of the problem has always been corporate America and yet I only see a backlash against the poor bloke who makes 5 bucks a day. |
One very interesting thing I found out about China made counterfeit products that the original products or at least parts from original products had been or being ordered from China by manufacturer(s) aiming for higher profits and lower labor cost. Well as we all know China labor is super cheap close to slave labor. Smart employees take out such parts and create same product pitching it overseas to make their living. To me it makes sense to purchase from there instead of purchasing from 'authorized dealers'. |
This trend is still there. You can get 10k priced wire for $300, but I only pay $99max per wire pair coz there are plenty wires to choose in this price range perhaps even larger than amongst higher price range so even $300 is kinda too much. Alibaba is also publicly traded so they will continue to get away with all the copied gear they sell with great success. |
Rotarius - sorry that was WAY overgeneralizing, and I don’t have any experience first hand. My comments came from a few articles I read about the more revealing top end emphasis being due to manufacturers responding to Asian demand. And I believe at least one was referring to the Chinese market in particular. Plus I probably read the articles 10 years or longer ago - so that trend could have changed by now if it ever existed. |
Regarding Purist Audio. Did the rev. c’s come before or after the Praesto Revision? My pairs have a warmish sound character, albeit nicely detailed.I’m with @mr_m , where on the timeline are the Rev. C’s? I think Luminist Revision is current and the oldest is the Praesto Revision. The Luminist Musaeus and Aqueous are not bright at all; warm with good detail. Aqueous has bigger Brightness would come from an upstream source. Luminist Revision, Rev. B, Rev. C... I’m very confused about their cables. |
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Audio Sensibility OCC cables will deepen, darken the sound. At least compared to my reference: Furutech. The CAD to USD exchange rate keeps them in your ballpark price range. And, they have a 30 day trial period. I’ve tried Testament and Statement cables from them. Fit and finish was excellent. At the end of the day, the degree of tonal shift wasn’t ideal for my gear and I did return them. But they might work for you. The Testament had less warmth and bloom than the Statement, and was preferred by me. But you might try both and see which if any work for you. |
monsignor. Regarding Purist Audio. Did the rev. c's come before or after the Praesto Revision? My pairs have a warmish sound character, albeit nicely detailed. I had used them with source and amplification to tame a slight emphasis in the high frequencies of some B&W 802D loudspeakers I used to have. |
I’m not sure how much equalization is at issue here, but if you’re looking for an affordable, good sounding i/c just on the warm side I can recommend Belden 8402. Still within your budget is the very neat Z-Squared AU/AU i/c being advertised here on the 'Gon. Detailed despite being warm and very spatial. And yes, it's real AU: https://www.audiogon.com/listings/interconnects-z2-z-squared-au-au-1m-solid-gold-rca-interconnects-2... |
Beldon 8402 with Switchcraft? I'll check it out although I know the Asian market tends to be about the upper frequencies..No, you are totally wrong. Just like someone making a blanket statement about the American market would be wrong. http://jeffsplace.me/wordpress/?p=7325 |
@stfoth, You hit the nail on the head. For less than the cost of his Auris, he can get a Wi-Fi streaming adapter and cut out Bluetooth all together. If that's not an option, any number of EQ apps will allow him to tailor the sound without the hassle of buying and returning various cables. Yes, messing with EQ is less than ideal but it's free, and as you mentioned, we're talking less than aptX Bluetooth quality. No offense to the OP, as I also use Bluetooth on occasion, but this thread is basically discussing expensive ways to polish a turd. |
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If you want a warm rich sound then you simply need to apply a little butter or cream to the jacket of your interconnects. It works wonders! If you find it too warm or smooth then try a sprinkle of pepper and that usually will spice up the sound. Salt does not work too well (don’t know why) but BBQ sauce (especially the Paul Newman kind) is my favorite lately. This to me is the #1 reason to get good cable elevators on speaker cables! Elevators keep the sauce off the floor and the flavour enhancement uniquely on the sound - it also allows easy access so you can quickly change sounds on the fly. Of course YMMV. |
I purchased the Purists new from The Cable Company which I know buys directly from Purist Audio. These were copper not silver and yes I was surprised - but also knew the industry as a whole were moving to more revealing cables. Beldon 8402 with Switchcraft? I'll check it out although I know the Asian market tends to be about the upper frequencies.. |
I have never heard of broken-in Purist cables being unfocused, but there are Purist fakes. As for bright, some mostly silver Purist with Ferox not fluid could be a little bright in some systems, my old Colossus RCA with Ferox is an example. It was fine before with fluid, but when the time came to fill it up, Jim of Purist only offered to fill it with Ferox, which, I believe, threw the cable off the balance. Not familiar with Museaus, though. You could try Nirvana cables, they are out of business, I think, and hard to find. |
