I cannot remember if I have heard these models, but I have heard many ML's and Wadias on very revealing systems since I live near a shop that sells both. I think both are excellent brands in general and offer some of the best CD playback available. I think both are vastly better than most digital in the marketplace regardless of upsampling, oversampling, SACD, DVD etc. I will say this, I had an extended listening session at this shop a couple of years ago and heard the Wadia 861 and thought it was superb. Very natural sounding and musical. It really held my attention and was listenable for a long period of time. If you want to hear another great player, I think the Capitole Aero is right up there with these. Someone told me that they recently heard a new MSB Player on the market which they thought was unusually good.
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