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Good to hear someone else still enjoys the now ancient VPI Classic 1. After hearing plenty of over the top setups, I came to the conclusion that my rig(Classic 1) IS good enough, once the necessary adjustments are found.
I can't figure why some are so anti uni pivot, anti VPI this that, etc. . Find the right cart/phonostage and the other obvious things and you're good to go.
@bpwalsh Hi Brian. I’m just curious if there are any recurring setting "themes" that you notice where customers come up short. For instance is azimuth rarely set up close to optimal? My guess is that you’ll say it tends to be the cumulative effect of all settings being slightly less than optimal that contributes to the differential gain realized when your assistance is added. However, if there are commonly recurring settings that are way off, I’d really be curious in hearing that input as well. In a world where people argue about the huge sonic benefits from a fuse, I’d have to believe your services are quite packed in bang-for-the-buck value for most "garden-variety" audiophiles.
I wish it was that simple. Every setup is different, although I set the overhang and offset angle consistently and follow the cartridge manufacturer's recommended tracking force. Optimum azimuth varies, even between identical cartridges. And then once in a great while there’s a cartridge that doesn’t measure well and may in fact be defective. Such was the case with a setup I did a few weeks ago, where there was 2.4 dB channel imbalance, and one channel’s crosstalk performance was poor. The cartridge was replaced under warranty, and on my recent return visit the new cartridge measured fine, as expected, and the client is very happy. So I take each setup as it comes, without preconceived notions of how things might go. By the same token my experience helps me evaluate and make adjustments efficiently and accurately.
I hope this helps.
I have had a Classic 1 with Kleos cart for seven years. It was very complicated to master the adjustments at first, but now it is just a breeze. That's why many people give up on it and VPI has moved on to non unipivot arms. I have zero desire to change TT, the full range of adjustments available on this table are absolutely amazing once figured out. Mine sings.
IMO, whomever owns this table needs to be able to handle all the adjustments by themselves. Case in point, if you happen to touch the tonearm wiring, you will likely throw the azimuth out of whack. If you have to rely on others to do the job for you, I would not recommend getting the Classic 1. It's not a set it once and forget it kind of table. You have to love playing with it to keep it playing just right to your ears.
"I do not notice any obvious difference other than the cartridge position in the headshell. Brian mounted it a little further forward."
Hmm.. Do you know if your cart is in a Baerwald alignment? Using my Feikert, it does shove the cart forward compared to using the VPI alignment, which is close to the Stephenson.
Brian my friend, if you're coming to Cleveland please stop by Columbus. My TD124 is going to need a new setup after a plinth change. I am happy to make it worth your while.
For all of you who think you know how to "make your tt sing", give Brian a try or go hear someone's deck that Brian has set up. I would guess that for every ten people who think they have it all figured out, nine would be surprised. For the price of an Ortofon 2M Black it is a bargain.
Mine is more like an "S" curve at present. I'll smooth it out to be a half circle. Hadn't heard of doing that before. I don't remember that in VPI's set-up directions, but I'll have to check to see if it is something I might have overlooked. Is resonance suppression the goal or something else?
Thanks for the tip.
There are some things people have to figure out from pictures or whatever without instructions. If they covered every nuance in the manual it would be several times the size and nobody would read it. :-(
I just set up a Prime Signature at a dealer here in the Chicago area, with an Ortofon Cadenza Blue. Pictures on vpiforum.com in the Support area.
You should not have to guess by looking at a picture without complete instructions; this goes from toasters to cars. It is up to the consumer to read the manual or not. You should also not have to surf the internet to find 50 different people telling you 50 different ways to do the same thing. You should start out with the manufacturer's recommendation first.
Just my 2 cents.
(Rev. Jim reference) What...does...a...yellow...light...mean?
In an ideal world, yes. But things are never ideal, and you can’t satisfy everybody. Complain to the manufacturer if the manual is lacking, or buy something else. Fundamentally it’s a pretty simple design, and dealers should be happy to help or refer you to someone, to save you the time and trouble. I set up just about anything out there and do a lot of VPIs.
Do you need me to stop by?
I don't write the manuals. All one can do is ask manufacturers to do better and maybe send them some content to add to their documentation. You can't force them, but nobody's being forced to buy their products if they are poorly documented and they do nothing about it, which is my point. Complaining in a forum like this isn't constructive.
Well slaw you're correct, no matter who wrote them, there's nothing in the manual for the VPI Classic 2 addressing the loop. But thanks to you I am pleased to report there is now a perfect, aesthetically pleasing loop adorning mine. Not only that, it's the first tweak of the new year, and a free one at that. Thanks,