????????????????????????please elaborate...what are you talking about? kurt
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Yeh, nothing like a sustained note with vibrato (when its supposed to remain a steady tone). I don't notice this as much on opera records. If it were just the turntable it would be one thing, but is usually gets in the grooves during cutting. The good news is high quality records rarely exhibit those problems nor do high quality turntables. When I run accross a record that does this - it goes to charity (Goodwill haunters beware!)
Many people are not bothered by WOW (or the "hunting" of various DD designs).
I generally find it to be more of a mild irritant than something actually heard as variations in pitch/tempo (we are talking decent decks here), which may explain why many are not affected by it.
I have not had this problem with any of my Thorens belt drives, but recall experiencing it with earlier Rega Belt drives (read they remedied the problem with later models) and most of the 70's/80's DD designs. It seemed that the DD's with complex speed control systems ended up being the worst offenders.
In this regard there is/was a killer vintage belt drive Sony deck that I would love to listen to again (if not own). It was highly praised for it S/N ratio, but I enjoyed it for its "kink free" sound. I'm not certain if it was a pro model, or not, as the only people I knew who owned them worked @ or owned radio stations and it was used primarily for transferring LP's to tape.
Unfortunately I can no longer remember the model number (knew it a few years ago:-).
Does anyone know about this deck (don't think that it came with an arm)?
While it could be a problem with your turntable, it's more likely that you are simply hyper-sensitive to this type of distortion. Digital doesn't have wow, but that doesn't mean you'll be able to tolerate it's various types of distortion either. Hopefully, that's not the case. Do you have perfect pitch?
Thanks for the post because I too hear it sometimes.
I attribute it to the spindle hole not being perfectly center on some recordings and the platter having a slight wobble (up & down by a 1/32") every rotation thus affecting the tracking force.
Take a close look at the headshell & see if it remains perfectly level for each rotation.
Just a hunch.
Yep! I totally understand EXACTLY what you're saying! Occasionally I will put on a record without checking for off-center and upon listening, I can clearly notice the problem. This is due to the center hole not being exactly centered (if you want to hear a perfect example of wow, use a junk turntable and junk 45, remove the 45 center, and purposely off-center the record, then place the stylus on the record and listen - this may be an extreme example, but it'll give you an idea). So what do I do about this problem?
(Short of trying to find a rare used Nakamichi turntable, which centers the off-centered record) What one can do is simply find where the groove "run out" is at it's extreme, then inconspicuously mark the label at that point, then carefully file that edge of the center hole until it rests against the spindle and allows the record to be centered. This takes trial and error but it's totally well worth the effort for the listening experience, no matter what. In my view, the record, no matter how valuable price-wise, is totally worthless if one can't actually listen to it just because of an off-centered hole.
Perhaps this is only one of several reasons (and I often say) CDs were immediately embraced by the "mainstream press and public" (if only they had real analog systems to listen to, then the industry would've been forced to refine the CD invention further before releasing it to the public market - unfortunately the industry brainwashed us that the 16bit 44.1k format was it! ....even then I asked myself, if CD was so "perfect" as they said, then why'd we need 8 times oversampling, etc etc? - but I guess I'm getting into another subject matter altogether so I'll end it here).